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West Bend, WI | Report Date : September 9, 2008 at 09:12 PM
NHTSA Campaign ID number : 08V446000
Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
VICTORY / VISION 2008
Manufacturer : POLARIS INDUSTRIES, INC. Mfr's Report Date : SEP 02, 2008
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 08V446000
N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:FUSES AND CIRCUIT BREAKERS
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 2444
Summary:
POLARIS IS RECALLING 2,444 MY 2008 VICTORY VISION MOTORCYCLES. THE TERMINAL NUTS THAT SECURE THE MAIN POWER SUPPLY WIRES COULD BE LOOSE AT THE CIRCUIT BREAKER, WHICH CAN CAUSE AN UNEXPECTED LOSS OF ELECTRICAL POWER TO THE MOTORCYCLE AND THE CURRENT FUEL IGNITION MAP PRE-PROGRAMMED INTO THE ELECTRONIC CONTROL MODULE (ECM) CAN CAUSE ENGINE STALLING.
Consequence:
EITHER CONDITION COULD CAUSE THE ENGINE TO STALL, INCREASING THE RISK OF A LOSS OF CONTROL AND A CRASH.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND TIGHTEN THE CIRCUIT BREAKER TERMINAL NUTS AND RE-PROGRAM THE ECM FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON OR ABOUT SEPTEMBER 15, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT POLARIS/VICTORY AT 1-888-704-5290. |
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Edmonton, AB | One extra piece of info from this is that we now know approximately how many Visions were made in 2008.....2444.
Thanks for the info
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Fargo, ND | Hi Bill, Thanks for the Post! This (loose nut) did happen to mine while in Sturgis this summer. It was a little un-nerving as it happened in a left hand sweeper and all of a sudden everything was gone. It didn't cause me any problems, however, I can see how it could have. I called my dealer and he told me how to deal with the problem. I got it tightened and no further issues. Regards, |
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Savannah, GA -Year round riding!! Yay! | Great, the last recall notice I had to inform my dealer about. I might as well print this out and let them know about this, too....
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West Bend, WI | Just wanted everyone to know ahead of time...I have already let my dealer know what is coming. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | Flatsix,
Are or were you running the OEM pipes? The recall does note that a re-flash is to be done. The system defaulted back to the Factory OEM map. If you had the S1L1 or S1L2 pipes, you may be running with a stock mapping on the ECM. |
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Fargo, ND | Exactly my thoughts Dave...as I did put the S1L1 pipes on it prior to picking it up. It does seem a little abrupt when transitioning between power on and power off. I was thinking I would have to eliminate the 02 sensor and add a Power Commander to make it run as I would like it to. We'll see! |
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Reno County, KS | Thanks for the heads up. Does anyone know where this possibly loose nut is? I'd love to know so that I might check it in the future before I head out. "Circuit breaker" on a Vehicle? Sounds like the fuse block to me. Could also be the engine on/off or keyed on/off. Down at the ignition perhaps? I guess its a good assumption that I don't have this problem since my bike still runs. LOL If I had a dealership within 300mi, I'd just let them handle it. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Hmmmm, naw! You all ride safe. |
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Illinois | bigwill5150 - 2008-09-10 4:58 AM
Thanks for the heads up. Does anyone know where this possibly loose nut is? I'd love to know so that I might check it in the future before I head out. "Circuit breaker" on a Vehicle? Sounds like the fuse block to me. Could also be the engine on/off or keyed on/off. Down at the ignition perhaps? I guess its a good assumption that I don't have this problem since my bike still runs. LOL If I had a dealership within 300mi, I'd just let them handle it.
Under a black plastic cover at the base/front of motor there is a red rubber boot with 2 nuts on top. That is what my dealer had me check after mine stalled. They were tight on mine. My only stall came the same day as my S1/L2 install. Has not happened since.
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LONDONDERRY NH | Just talked to my dealer today. The reflash is not yet available for this recall. Victory is in the process of getting it through the EPA which leads me to believe there is changes from the the stock program. Dealer said they are trying to cure the intermittent stalling problem some bikes have by altering the new reflash
Edited by HONDAFIXER 2008-09-10 12:25 PM
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Iron Butt
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Western WA | Interesting about the remap.
I experienced the loss of electrical on the bike, (and took it in to get it fixed). After that I swore that it never had quite as much pep as it had previously. I talked to the dealer twice about the issue, but never really got a satisfactory answer.
I had the S1L1 installed before the delivery, and I know they did the remap then.
I'll bet the bike reverted to the default remap. Definitely going to mention this to the dealer when the recall work is done. |
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Iron Butt
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, FL United States | I need the help of those of you who are "in the know". How can I be SURE that the re-map was actually done after my S1L1 pipes were installed? (Other than just taking the word of my dealer). |
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Fargo, ND | This is the 'cover in question'. It is fastened (as I recall) with 2 bolts that are reached from the front of the bike in the battery area. Once those are removed the cover should snap out and give you access to the 'red circuit breaker'. There is an additional cover over the breaker that should just snap off to expose the 'Culpret Nuts'. Mine were not even finger tight. 
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on the edge of Los Angeles | Flatsix, Great information for anyone who may want to address this issue on there own.
Now all we need is a picture with the cover off and highlighting the actual nuts.
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San Antonio, TX United States | To verify which map has been flashed to the ECM, you have to connect the bike to the Digital Wrench software. From that point, the tech can navigate to a screen that shows exactly what is loaded. |
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Northeastern Penna. | I just looked under the cap on my steel gray vision.I see a red rubber boot.Don't see the
nuts in question.Any more info?
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Eyota, MN | Lift the red rubber boot up and the nuts are under that. One of mine was a little loose. |
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Northeastern Penna. | When you lift up the cover,there are actually 2 red boots.Are you talking about the one closest to you with 2 raised areas on it that go over the stems, that the nuts are threaded onto? |
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Iron Butt
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, FL United States | dwhite28 - 2008-09-10 6:22 PM
To verify which map has been flashed to the ECM, you have to connect the bike to the Digital Wrench software. From that point, the tech can navigate to a screen that shows exactly what is loaded.
Thanks, I'll have the tech I trust check this out. |
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Eyota, MN | The two raised area red boot, check everything as long as you got the plastic cover off. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | I hate to ask this so late, but can someone direct me to where this recall notice originated? I found all of the other recall notices on the Polaris Dealers site but not this one. I have researched the web and also the national recall website where all of the other recalls are listed, but again not this one.
Edited by dwhite28 2008-09-13 8:39 AM
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West Bend, WI | dwhite28 - 2008-09-13 7:38 AM
I hate to ask this so late, but can someone direct me to where this recall notice originated? I found all of the other recall notices on the Polaris Dealers site but not this one. I have researched the web and also the national recall website where all of the other recalls are listed, but again not this one.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/results.cfm |
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Tourer
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20 miles west of Chicago. | Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
VICTORY / VISION 2008
Manufacturer : POLARIS INDUSTRIES, INC. Mfr's Report Date : SEP 02, 2008
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 08V446000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:FUSES AND CIRCUIT BREAKERS
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 2444
Summary:
POLARIS IS RECALLING 2,444 MY 2008 VICTORY VISION MOTORCYCLES. THE TERMINAL NUTS THAT SECURE THE MAIN POWER SUPPLY WIRES COULD BE LOOSE AT THE CIRCUIT BREAKER, WHICH CAN CAUSE AN UNEXPECTED LOSS OF ELECTRICAL POWER TO THE MOTORCYCLE AND THE CURRENT FUEL IGNITION MAP PRE-PROGRAMMED INTO THE ELECTRONIC CONTROL MODULE (ECM) CAN CAUSE ENGINE STALLING.
Consequence:
EITHER CONDITION COULD CAUSE THE ENGINE TO STALL, INCREASING THE RISK OF A LOSS OF CONTROL AND A CRASH.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND TIGHTEN THE CIRCUIT BREAKER TERMINAL NUTS AND RE-PROGRAM THE ECM FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON OR ABOUT SEPTEMBER 15, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT POLARIS/VICTORY AT 1-888-704-5290.
Notes:
POLARIS/VICTORY RECALL NO. V-08-03. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.
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Winter-St. Augustine Fl. Summer-Blind River Ont. C | I was on my way to Sturgis from Northern Ontario last month, when my Vision just quit, then about 30-45 sec. later everything would come back on and I could fire it . This started to happen more often on I90 so it became very dangerous jumping on and off the berm. Had it towed 169 miles to Rapic City SD. where Rice Victory found a loose nut on the main breaker. My two HARLEY BUDDIES had a good time with all this but finally admitted that if their bike had a problem, it also would have to have been towed the same distance. Anyway the problem was repaired and I only had to ride bitch on my buddies dresser about 100 mi to Sundance Wy. and back. One thing I might add, The VRA's road side assistance insurance program claims they only cover up to $200.00 for a tow. Mine ended up costing $516.00. My dealer is checking into this, but I would think that with a recal now in effect for the problem I encountered, I would have a full reinbursment. So far this is the only problem I have had besides belt squeel. Great bike! |
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SC, Bluffton | Flatsix - 2008-09-10 5:36 PM
Thank you for the picture. Now I know where to look.
yankcan0 - 2008-09-17 12:57 AM
I only had to ride bitch on my buddies dresser about 100 mi to Sundance
This is why I carry an inflatable gas can. Packs really small when you aren't using it.
You don't want folks thinking you are on a lovely outting with your significant other. 
Just kidding, but I'd bet they'd sell if available.
Herb
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Central Florida | as of today reflash for ECM is still not available from Victory...
They have NO idea when it will be... |
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New Castle Delaware | Had my Vision at the dealer today to replace the chrome part at the rear of the trunk that the service tech scratched when he put on the luggage rack. I asked the service manager if there were any recalls on my vision. He looked it up on the Polaris site and said no. I then pulled out my copy of this thread and gave it to him. He got back on the computer and started searching again. He then said can I keep this and I said sure. I went to get some breakfast and when I got back my bike was done. The service manager said by the way your your circuit breaker nuts were ready to fall off. He said I guess we better check all the Visions that come in here and thanked me for bringing it to his attention. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | Just for information. There is no service recall for the Vision regarding the loose nuts on the Polaris dealers website as of this writing. Unless there is a complete package with parts and full remedy, there usually is not one. That is why i had posted prior on this thread on where the recall was found. I have been remiss in contacting Polaris this past week on learning of the status of the recall notice and why and how it had been released to other agencies prior to notice on the proper site prior to national release. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | Well it is official. The Polaris Website finally released the complete recall notice with new re-flash for ECM. You can use the link below to veiw the file. http://www.mediafire.com/file/zj2jzjmomem/V-08-03_Safety-Recall_CircuitBreakerTerminalNuts.pdf
Edited by dwhite28 2008-09-24 11:49 PM
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Visionary
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So Cal | I checked my breaker, it's tight. Is the reflash different from stock? It runs great right now and I'm affraid to change anything. |
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LONDONDERRY NH | Does anyone know what the reflash is supposed to cure? |
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San Antonio, TX United States | If you will read the first page of the bulletin, item 2 you will see what it cures.
Edited by dwhite28 2008-09-25 12:28 PM
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LONDONDERRY NH | I was wondering what the unusual and specific rider inputs were referring to? |
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San Antonio, TX United States | Sorry. I understand now. The different ways people shift. some blip the throttle before shiffting. some people pull the clutch in all the way and release the throttle all the way before upshifting. Since there actually are a few ways to control throttle while shifting up or down, this reflash is to help address these issues. I personally use the clutch for 1st and second gear, after that, i pretty much dont use the clutch for shifting up or down from that point on. I never have had an issue with popping but out of 4,000 miles i have had the bike stall three times for no reason. Always at a stop or while stopping. |
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Sparta, WI |
Mine died in a huge line of bikes exiting the Buffalo Chip. Fortunatley she fired up right away. I left the trunk light on the night before, she barely started that morning and that is what I attributed the problem to. Then again it quit a couple of weeks ago and I simply forgot about it. After riding a Road King for a couple of years I was used to hitting the kill switch when riding because of the positioning of it.
I just called dealer and they told me to come and they would do the recall notice whenever I can get there. Gonna do it ASAP. I appreciate the heads up. This forum has been a tremendous help. Thanks Dollarbillwi! |
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LONDONDERRY NH | Thanks dwhite |
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Prescott Valley, AZ | Got the recall in the mail today from Victory. Called the service department and will take the bike in tomorrow after work. The recall does say "DO NOT OPERATE YOUR MOTORCYCLE UNTIL ALL REPAIRS ARE COMPLETED" but I'm going to ride to work and then the dealership after work. After 7000 miles and not one stall I think I'm safe enough to go another 15 miles prior to making "repairs".
Ride Safe, Ride Often!! |
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Ann Arbor, MI | I took mine in yesterday and sat there for over 5 hours. They couldn't do the reflash because they didn't have it. They were very vague on what the problem was with getting it. It may have had something to do with the fact that I have the stage 1 level 1 exhaust. They did check the breaker but I doubt they found anything. The stalling I have experienced is not electrical, it's not blipping the throttle, and it's not anything "unusual and specific" that I'm doing. It has stalled once every 500 miles on average (about 10 times) but yesterday it stalled twice within 7 miles. Both times it stalled as I was coasting up to a stop sign. The stalling has always occurred when the clutch is depressed and I am downshifting or coasting. It has never occured while accelerating, cruising or upshifting. I don't think they changed anything yesterday to cause this to occur more frequently. The stalling first occurred on my way home from the 500 mile service which was before the stage 1 level 1 exhaust install. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | If you read the last page of the bulletin, you will see that the dealer has to make a service report and e-mail that to a specific site for Polaris Dealers. The service report is a file downloaded from the ECM of the bike. Your bike has to be hooked up to the Digital Wrench software to acquire the file. Just as a note, Yesterday was basically the first day for reflashing Stage setups. My bike has the S1L2 exhaust, so i started with my bike to see how the process works. After about 5 hours, i called Polaris Tech support to see what the hold was. He had just overlooked my message due to the way i started the subject line. He took care of me in about 2 min over the phone and gave me a re-flash authorization number. I stil have to get another Authorization code today, due to an error with my laptop and connections to the bike. One authorization code is good only one time. I told our sales people and service/parts desk that when they schedule this re-flash, to let the customer know that it could be 15 min or 4 hours before getting the code back from Polaris depending on how backed up they get with processing these. But at least the customer knows up front to go and eat lunch or shop and we can call him when its done. Please note that anyone with an OEM (stock) set up does not have to wait for a authorization code. Any dealer can reflash a stock set up with out having authorization. |
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Ann Arbor, MI | Thanks David, that explains some of what happened yesterday. They did finally get the authorization number but still couldn't reflash. I suspect maybe they hadn't updated their Digital Wrench software. I'm scheduled to take it back Oct. 7th for the reflash. It's a 1-1/2 hour trip so I don't have much choice but to sit and wait for it. My dealer has had two service managers since I bought 1 year ago and right now they only have an acting service manager. I wish I had seen your post of the bulletin to print and take with me yesterday. Thanks again for the help/explanation. |
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| Recieved my notice today. I have had intermittent shut-off. It will be nice if that went away. |
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Posts: 447
Northeastern Penna. | I had my 08 vision to my dealer-Blue Ridge Polaris for a couple days.They checked the terminal nuts on the circuit breaker-they were tight.They torqued to prpoer specs.They also re-programmed
the ECM after consulting Polaris.When I rode home,it seemed as though the idle is slightly higher. |
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Nebraska | I got mine in the mail today. it says "DO NOT OPERATE YOUR MOTORCYCLE UNTIL ALL REPAIRS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED"...Yea right. |
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Northeast Ohio | I had mine done today at BairsInc in North Canton Ohio. Guys, it is unbelievable now. With just the reflash, I can now rev match while downshifting AND (drum roll) about 90% of my decel popping is gone. The other 10% is barely noticeable. The woman and I went for a ride and she even commented on how much smoother the bike feels now. I was happy and then got pissed. Why couldn't it have come from the factory this way. Companies are rushing things to market too darn fast or not putting enough Q&A into their products.
I almost laid my bike down a few days ago. I was pulling out of a parking lot, 10 feet into the turn (feet up of course), it coughed and died on me. The rear tire locked up, I clutch in to free wheel it, try to get her upright and hit front brake (<-- my first mistake). The bike went down more and the rear foot board nailed the back of my calf as I was still trying to stop her. Fortunately I man handled her back up, started and got it home. I was ready to return my VFCIII (sorry Lloyd for thinking it was your box) to the dealer where I bought it and Lloyd responded to my email with the reflash recall. I got the letter today and took it in at 4PM. Seriously, take yours in if you have had it stall or cough on you. Hasn't happened at all to me in the past 4 hours of riding and I was trying to make it do it. I need to build up the lost confidence with the bike since my Sunday incident.
Edited by ScoreBo 2008-09-26 8:57 PM
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New Bohemia, VA | maddog - 2008-09-26 8:38 PM I got mine in the mail today. it says "DO NOT OPERATE YOUR MOTORCYCLE UNTIL ALL REPAIRS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED"...Yea right. My dealer told me today that it should be in the mail today and to bring it by tomorrow. Lo and behold it was in the mail with that statement. If anything happens on the way to the dealer I'm going to ..... By the way this is a good thing, most of the time I'm telling them, this time they told me first, wooohooo! |
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Northeast Ohio | I rode mine. Hell, we've been riding them like this for almost a year now. I don't think everyone can trailer theirs to the dealer. You think Vic will pay for a tow? Would you even want to do that? They are limiting their liability... |
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New Bohemia, VA | ScoreBo - 2008-09-26 10:35 PM I rode mine. Hell, we've been riding them like this for almost a year now. I don't think everyone can trailer theirs to the dealer. You think Vic will pay for a tow? Would you even want to do that? They are limiting their liability... Trailer? Trailer???? How dare you mention that word around my Vision. Actually, you can press them for it, I think someone else shared they did just that on another recall that said "Do not ride...." |
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So Cal | Made sure the breaker nuts (?) were tight last week, as soon as I read about the recall here. Took it into the dealer this morning. The new download makes a DEFINITE difference in the way the motor runs! My dealer is an 80 mi. round trip. I put an extra 20 on it on the way home. If your running the stock map, I recommend the recall as soon as possible. It idles smoother, it has a little more roll on power, even the trans seems to shift smoother. It's like a brand new bike! I'm in love all over again!!! |
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Northeast Ohio | cjnoho - 2008-09-27 3:36 PM
Made sure the breaker nuts (?) were tight last week, as soon as I read about the recall here. Took it into the dealer this morning. The new download makes a DEFINITE difference in the way the motor runs! My dealer is an 80 mi. round trip. I put an extra 20 on it on the way home. If your running the stock map, I recommend the recall as soon as possible. It idles smoother, it has a little more roll on power, even the trans seems to shift smoother. It's like a brand new bike! I'm in love all over again!!!
I couldn't agree more. |
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| I received my recall notice on the 23rd, but my dealer doesnt have the download available..yet...Dealer told me sometime next week........thats ass backwords. |
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Birmingham, AL 08 MC Tour Premium 2012 Bronze Mist | Had my recall on the terminals done with the flash. I've got the cycle dragon pipes and before the flash I had a little bit of popping in the exhaust, not a lot but some. Now I've got absolutely none and I'm sure it's all in my head but the bike seems to run better.
BTW, I had to show the guy where the diagnostic connector was so he could hook up his computer.
They didn't know anything about the recall until I showed up, but they found it and took care of me quickly while I waited.
They replaced a defective audio wiring harness that's been giving me fits, so thumbs up to them. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | Thats Bull!@#$ that your dealer did not have the download. Thursday September 25 happen to be the first day that Polaris was starting to do the authorization codes. Remind you that auth codes were only required for Stage one level 1 or 2 exhaust systems. OEM or stock reflash require no auth codes.
The updated Digital Wrench software was made available to all Polaris dealers on September 16th, 2008. The only excuse that might have held water was that Polaris exhuausted a daily quota of authorization codes that would have had to be generated. By the way, did you dealer take the time to connect the Digital wrench and download a Service Report from your bike? That is a requsite to obtain an Authorization code for a Stage 1 reflash. |
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San Antonio, TX United States | wjoel - 2008-09-26 7:13 PM I had my 08 vision to my dealer-Blue Ridge Polaris for a couple days.They checked the terminal nuts on the circuit breaker-they were tight.They torqued to prpoer specs.They also re-programmed the ECM after consulting Polaris.When I rode home,it seemed as though the idle is slightly higher. I hope you realize that the reflash has nothing to do with the idle. That is still a mechanical adjustment. But the bike should always idle around 980 to 1100 at operating temperature. |
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Leander,Texas | http://auto-recalls.justia.com/content/07V510000-VICTORY-VISION-200...
HERES THE LINK FOR FUTURE REFRENCE TO ALL OWNERS OF VISIONS |
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| Got mine today. i guess mail is slower in Pa. i guess i'll have it done when they replace the defective windshield the replacement for which came in last week with no distortion. imagine that. |
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Stockton, Ca. | You should look for a new dealer. My first Victory purchase was from a small town Polaris dealer, they were terrable. I switched to Arlen Ness and they give first cass service. I purchased my Vision from them because of the great service. The good dealers will know what to do. |
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