photos of the modified swoosh cowling
tom
Posted 2008-08-08 12:38 PM (#15588)
Subject: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Cruiser

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well guys it worked see attached photos. tom




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racershawn
Posted 2008-08-08 12:42 PM (#15589 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Cruiser

Posts: 231
Hampton Va
how was the cooling ??? PS you did a great job!
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g1nomad
Posted 2008-08-08 1:37 PM (#15592 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: RE: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Tourer

Posts: 562
SC, Bluffton
You'll have to excuse me, but what did you do?
I'll have to look at my Vision closely tonight.

Herb
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Stryker
Posted 2008-08-08 1:50 PM (#15593 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 41
Oviedo, FL
It appears you may be on to something, how about a wider shot so we can see how it looks and frames the motor?
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maddog
Posted 2008-08-08 1:56 PM (#15594 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: RE: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


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Posts: 185
Nebraska
Im wondering if it was designed that way to force as much air as possible over the heads. If so opening up the swish may not be all that effective in cooling the engine. Probably help the rider though.
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tom
Posted 2008-08-08 5:01 PM (#15609 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


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I removed about 2 1/2 inches from the bottom up and slowly swept with the conture of the swoosh to the top of the curve. used a fine tooth hack saw on bottom to start of curve then a dremel tool with a cutter wheel.then a flat file and rat tail file to clean up the edge . it wasnt bad it took about an hour. looks factory. i will ride it this pm in 98 degree heat and report back. tom
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a99miata
Posted 2008-08-08 5:53 PM (#15613 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Tourer

Posts: 423
northwest florida
...hmmmmmm!!! got caught in the rain yet?
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Tarpits99
Posted 2008-08-08 8:18 PM (#15627 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Iron Butt

Posts: 742
North Orange County CA
Based on the photos (looks like CA or AZ), I'm guessing Tom isnt gonna get stuck in any rain that you would recognize as rain until global cooling is a problem.
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sandman
Posted 2008-08-08 10:11 PM (#15636 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


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rhode island
Be careful trimming once you start may be harder than you think to stop.
before you know it the beard and mustache will be completely gone.
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tom
Posted 2008-08-09 12:24 AM (#15644 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


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howd you know i had a beard and mustache... well i road thru bakersfield @104 degrees today and it was awesome. totally worked, it was great you guys that livtome in the heat just do it.
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TimS
Posted 2008-08-09 1:24 AM (#15648 - in reply to #15594)
Subject: RE: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Iron Butt

Posts: 810
Having more air hit more of the heat sinks is not a bad thing.
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TimS
Posted 2008-08-09 1:25 AM (#15649 - in reply to #15644)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Iron Butt

Posts: 810

Tom,

Were you able to pull the right side tin off without having to pull the whole piece of plastic as well ?

Thanks,

Tim 

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tom
Posted 2008-08-09 12:19 PM (#15660 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


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yes , its remove all the allen bolts on top and the two in front under the popped off plastic chrome gauge trim then the tank side cowling will allow you to get your hand into the inside where the 4 bolts are to remove the swoosh cowling. you just hold it out alittle and get in there with a 10 mm racheting box end wrench, trust me go buy a 10 mm ratchiting box end wrench it will save alot of time and energy. they are alot thinner and easier to get into the tite spots than a socket or a regular end wrench, they look like a standard box end wrench but have a built in rachet. by the way when you lay the console to one side or the other while doing this be sure to use a towel to lay under it so you dont scracth your paint, but you dont need to remove the console only lay it to either side. its all woth it if you live in a hot part of the country,what a difference. tom
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TimS
Posted 2008-08-09 6:02 PM (#15673 - in reply to #15660)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Iron Butt

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Tom,

Where do you live? I live in Ventura county which is not too far from Bakersfield.  If you are in the area, you should come ride with our local Ventura SCRC chapter.  We have 4 Visions in the group.

Thanks for the info. I have put the chromed tins on and still have my aluminum tins. I may cut one of my aluminum tins and have it chromed so I have a summer and winter set. Thanks for taking point on this mod.

Tim



Edited by TimS 2008-08-09 6:03 PM
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tom
Posted 2008-08-09 8:41 PM (#15683 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


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Tim i live in springville and in arroyo grande so sometime lets ride i look forward to meeting you and your group. tom
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Teach
Posted 2008-08-10 10:33 AM (#15723 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Visionary

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tom could you post a side profile and or an angled from the rear at a bit more distance so we can see the entire bike with modified cowl? Thanks bud and it looks good. I'm thinking a winter mod might be in order but I'm thinking just enough to clear the cylinder, 1 1/2 inch since I really don't have heat issues but might riding in warmer climates.
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Smitty
Posted 2008-08-16 9:59 AM (#16242 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Okay...one question


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How in the heck does trimming a piece of aluminum in the front of the bike keep your legs cooler when sitting in traffic?

To me, it would be more practical to wire an auxillary fan in place to blow the heat another direction when stopped.

Put a temp sensor where the heat collects and have it automatically kick the fan on when needed.
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TimS
Posted 2008-08-25 12:53 AM (#16869 - in reply to #15644)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Iron Butt

Posts: 810

Tom,

I rode back from Monterey Bay today and got stuck in stop and go traffic just North of San Diego.  We started to take the side rodes and climbed some steep roads in low gears an my oil temp reached 260 degrees F.  Time to do something about the high temps.

Tim 

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tom
Posted 2008-08-25 1:37 AM (#16870 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


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Tim. trim it. it works. take it slow use a fine tooth hack saw for the straight few inches then a dremel tool with a cutting grinding wheel, ,finish with a flat file and a rat tail file, but now that i think about it you have chrome swooshes that may require a bead of rubber or some stick on trim to make a clean edge ,,i dont know how the chrome will look with a raw filed edge. take the right one off and ride it for awhile and then decide, it wiill cool your ride, it wont really help when your stopped only when moving a bit. tom ps leaving wed for 7 day ride to Durango four corners rally,
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TimS
Posted 2008-08-25 1:46 AM (#16871 - in reply to #16870)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Iron Butt

Posts: 810

I went into my garage tonight to cut down my old tin and try it.  If it went well, I would have it chromed only to find that my dealer only gave me back 4 of the 6 tins.  He kept the 2 front swooshes, thus I have to try and modify the chrome one I bought.  Hopefully, I can have it rechromed to clean up the cut edge.  I will try it without for a while.

I am also going to try Amsoil and compare my temps against my buddy's Vision.

Have fun on your trip.

Tim 

P.S.

I may also try one of these if the Vision can accommodate a larger oil cooler.

http://www.setrabusa.com/jagg%20files/jagg%20pages/univ_cores.htm

 

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varyder
Posted 2008-08-25 7:51 AM (#16876 - in reply to #16870)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

tom - 2008-08-25 1:37 AM Tim. trim it. it works. take it slow use a fine tooth hack saw for the straight few inches then a dremel tool with a cutting grinding wheel, ,finish with a flat file and a rat tail file, but now that i think about it you have chrome swooshes that may require a bead of rubber or some stick on trim to make a clean edge ,,i dont know how the chrome will look with a raw filed edge. take the right one off and ride it for awhile and then decide, it wiill cool your ride, it wont really help when your stopped only when moving a bit. tom ps leaving wed for 7 day ride to Durango four corners rally,

Okay, for clarity in my simple pea-mind, are you saying Tom that trimming the swoosh ALSO allows the engine to run cooler? I mean by the temp dipstick gauge thingy and not due to the fact of the lack of smoldering of the bluejeans. Just curious here, because I don't have that concern too much in Virginia. When I find that when it is 100 degrees, everything is hot and not because of the engine. My concern is from an engineering standpoint of is there adequate airflow over the motor to keep it cool, or are you going by creature comfort? Thanks for your reply in advance.

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tom
Posted 2008-08-25 10:18 AM (#16889 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


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Chris, the same air is still comming across the cylinder, in fact this modification will allow air to curculate all around the cylinder not just a portion of it,before some air was directed at it, now it not only is directed at it but thru and around the barrel and cylinder head. dont mess with it if your temp is ok but in 100 plus temp its hot out here . im not worried about heat at a stop, this thing was cooking my leg at 75 mph. that is the heat im referring to its the bubble that traps the heat . i just wanted the air to go past and thru allowing this bubble to be gone,and i dont like stick on plastic vent wings. air comming at the barrel thats ok, but isint it better to allow cool air to pass by the cylinder as well? this takes heat away from me and the engine. best regards, tom
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varyder
Posted 2008-08-25 10:37 AM (#16892 - in reply to #16889)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA

tom - 2008-08-25 10:18 AM Chris, the same air is still comming across the cylinder, in fact this modification will allow air to curculate all around the cylinder not just a portion of it,before some air was directed at it, now it not only is directed at it but thru and around the barrel and cylinder head. dont mess with it if your temp is ok but in 100 plus temp its hot out here . im not worried about heat at a stop, this thing was cooking my leg at 75 mph. that is the heat im referring to its the bubble that traps the heat . i just wanted the air to go past and thru allowing this bubble to be gone,and i dont like stick on plastic vent wings. air comming at the barrel thats ok, but isint it better to allow cool air to pass by the cylinder as well? this takes heat away from me and the engine. best regards, tom

Oh I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, I'm just curious on the temp thingy dipstick gauge is there a noticeable difference in the reading with the swoosh modification? Conceptually it all makes sense and seems to be a viable solution, but to know for sure, I'm just curious as to the reading changes from the folks who have made the mod. From an educated standpoint, knowing the reading, I would say that this is a good mod because:

1) there is no change in the engine tempature, but cooler air for the rider. or

2) the engine runs cooler as well as the rider.

However, I would question whether this is a good mod if the engine runs hotter, though the passenger runs cooler.

Since I've not made the mod because I don't have the problem others complain about I cannot make that educated assessment. Looking at the swoosh, I would have to say that allowing the air to pass by the engine because of the mod verses pass through the engine fins since the air has no place to go but through the fins, may have an adverse affect, but only a tempature reading would tell me that. A reading would answer my question. Thanks for you patience Tom.

Oh, and if I don't have the problem, why am I worried about it? Because I stand to move to S.C. in a year or so where tempatures are higher year round than here in Virginia. If it is a burden to me, then I know where my solution would be, cut the swoosh, because I too don't like the invisible force fields called lowers.



Edited by varyder 2008-08-25 10:42 AM
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etspastimes
Posted 2009-10-08 9:22 PM (#45548 - in reply to #15588)
Subject: Re: photos of the modified swoosh cowling


Tourer

Posts: 388
Salisbury, NC
Jam, this may be what you were talking about. ET
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