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Tracy, CA | Does anyone know how to contact Kevin x ? I'm interested in swapping out my cams and want to know if Kevin is planning any trips to central California, bay area, Sacramento? Are the cams even available yet |
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Moncks Corner, SC United States | Which cams are you speaking of? I got my set from Lloyd last week, and hope to put them in this week. His basic cams are usually in stock. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Tracy, CA | The hoh vm1 dr cams, the last post I read concerning a cam party in my area it was stated that they were waiting for more cams to come available. That was back in oct. I think. I havn't seen any posting as of late. |
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Manchester, CT | you should also consider upper filter PVC or vfc, timing wheel, upper plate and dyno tuning. if u have cash left over you should
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Jasper, MO | Street Eagle - 2014-02-17 11:00 PM
you should also consider upper filter PVC or vfc, timing wheel, upper plate and dyno tuning. if u have cash left over you should
take a look at the adjustable intake system
That, and have the rev limit extended to 6400 or 6500.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Raymoto - 2014-02-17 11:50 PM
The hoh vm1 dr cams, the last post I read concerning a cam party in my area it was stated that they were waiting for more cams to come available. That was back in oct. I think. I havn't seen any posting as of late.
Cams are available now
Ray....I sent you a PM. Look in the top right corner of your screen to find it.
Edited by kevinx 2014-02-18 11:07 AM
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Puddle Jumper
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Tracy, CA | Don't see much point in extending the rev limit. I'm interested in more grunt in the feeble 2500 to 3500rpm range. Red lining a 900 pound twin is a moot point. I have other bikes to go fast with. |
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Jasper, MO | Raymoto - 2014-02-18 11:10 AM
Don't see much point in extending the rev limit. I'm interested in more grunt in the feeble 2500 to 3500rpm range. Red lining a 900 pound twin is a moot point. I have other bikes to go fast with.
I'm not sure you want the cams then. Most of their benefit is in the over 3000 RPM range. They will actually lose just a tad on the low end, but you can get it back, and more, with Lloydz ECU reprogram and/or Lloydz adjustable timing wheel, and/or the adjustable intake.
Talk to Kevin. You might be just as happy with the timing wheel, fuel control, top filter, adjustable intake. You might even want to go to an underdrive front pulley. That would give you a 7% increase in low end grunt by itself.
On the other hand, getting the rev-limit extended by Lloydz ECU reprogram restores the low end grunt and has a better timing curve in addition to raising the rev limit.
You just think you don't need the rev limit extended/ECU reprogrammed, but after you get the cams you might just change your mind.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | rdbudd - 2014-02-18 1:04 PM
Raymoto - 2014-02-18 11:10 AM
Don't see much point in extending the rev limit. I'm interested in more grunt in the feeble 2500 to 3500rpm range. Red lining a 900 pound twin is a moot point. I have other bikes to go fast with.
I'm not sure you want the cams then. Most of their benefit is in the over 3000 RPM range. They will actually lose just a tad on the low end, but you can get it back, and more, with Lloydz ECU reprogram and/or Lloydz adjustable timing wheel, and/or the adjustable intake.
Talk to Kevin. You might be just as happy with the timing wheel, fuel control, top filter, adjustable intake. You might even want to go to an underdrive front pulley. That would give you a 7% increase in low end grunt by itself.
On the other hand, getting the rev-limit extended by Lloydz ECU reprogram restores the low end grunt and has a better timing curve in addition to raising the rev limit.
You just think you don't need the rev limit extended/ECU reprogrammed, but after you get the cams you might just change your mind.
Ronnie
Everybody says they don't need, or won't use it Ronnie, but then they get the job done, and unleash a whole new rider....lol |
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Puddle Jumper
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Tracy, CA | Thanks for the input guys. Didn't know there were any pulley s to choose from. Is this aftermarket? Or victory? I'm assuming this requires a new belt as well. Has anyone out there gone this route? How much did it hurt your mpg? |
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | I'm curious about the pulley also.ihave the cams, PVC, adjustable air intake, timing wheel, upper filter, plate, rev limiter removed, dyno'd by KMC, WitchdoctOr voodoo exhaust. I agree with rdbudd and Kevin. you'll have a totally new experience with this setup. my bike dyno'd at 122 rwhp and 121 ft/lb |
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Jasper, MO | Raymoto - 2014-02-18 2:35 PM
Thanks for the input guys. Didn't know there were any pulley s to choose from. Is this aftermarket? Or victory? I'm assuming this requires a new belt as well. Has anyone out there gone this route? How much did it hurt your mpg?
They are aftermarket. At least one of them is made by a VMC member, and then marketed through Witchdoctors and maybe Conquest Customs. They do NOT require a belt change. They have the effect of lowering your gearing by 7%, which will give the same effect as increasing your torque 7%. Since the Vision is really geared too tall anyway, I doubt that lowering the gearing will affect the overall fuel mileage much, but I have no personal experience with an underdrive pulley on a Vision.
I did put an overdrive pulley on my Sport Cruiser, since those early bikes have the opposite problem--geared too low. The fuel mileage didn't really change much with the overdrive pulley, but driveability is much better.
Witchdoctors http://buywitchdoctors.com/p/2235/victory-motorcycle-parts-drive-pu...
Conquest http://www.conquestcustoms.com/underdrivepulley.aspx
Ronnie
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Manchester, CT | Thanks Ronnie
I looked into the pulley. I'm happy with the torque and hp numbers I have now. |
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Jasper, MO | Street Eagle - 2014-02-18 10:35 PM
Thanks Ronnie
I looked into the pulley. I'm happy with the torque and hp numbers I have now.
The pulleys don't change the engine's torque or horsepower numbers one iota. What they change is the torque multiplication to the wheel. Longer lever.
It would be like changing the rear gears in a car from cruising gears to performance gears. The power output of the engine is not changed at all, but the car accelerates harder with the performance gears because of the greater torque multiplication, and the car "feels like" it gained more power, and "feels more responsive". Cruising RPM goes up. In the case of these pulleys, it goes up 7%.
These would be for people who want more low end grunt and roll-on/passing power. The downside is an increase in cruising RPM. 70 MPH would go from 2650 RPM to about 2835 RPM, or about 5 MPH less than before the UD pulley.
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Thanks Ronnie...I misspoke in regards to increasing hp and torque..appreciate the clarification! |
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Puddle Jumper
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Tracy, CA | Thanks for turning me on to the underdrive pulley. $400 and two evenings in the garage later and WOW! Well worth the time and money! Thanks again. Ray |
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Jasper, MO | Raymoto - 2014-03-06 8:57 AM
Thanks for turning me on to the underdrive pulley. $400 and two evenings in the garage later and WOW! Well worth the time and money! Thanks again. Ray
You're welcome sir. Just wait until you get the cams, and then you'll REALLY be impressed. Get the rev-limit increased with the cams. You'll really need that with the UD pulley and cams.
After you get over the new performance of the UD pulley and can ride normal again You might let us all know whether the UD pulley affected your average fuel economy much.
Ronnie
Edited by rdbudd 2014-03-06 9:26 AM
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CASTRO VALLEY, CA United States | Still think you should contact Arlen Ness Motorcycles in Dublin, CA. Maybe they'll use your customization in their reality show, "Let It Ride"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHfAfes963I |
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Puddle Jumper
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Tracy, CA | I don't see loydz cams in your list of cool upgrades...still need 2 more people for Kevin x to make the trip out and you are in the neiborhood ! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | rdbudd - 2014-02-18 12:04 PM
Raymoto - 2014-02-18 11:10 AM
Don't see much point in extending the rev limit. I'm interested in more grunt in the feeble 2500 to 3500rpm range. Red lining a 900 pound twin is a moot point. I have other bikes to go fast with.
I'm not sure you want the cams then. Most of their benefit is in the over 3000 RPM range. They will actually lose just a tad on the low end, but you can get it back, and more, with Lloydz ECU reprogram and/or Lloydz adjustable timing wheel, and/or the adjustable intake.
Talk to Kevin. You might be just as happy with the timing wheel, fuel control, top filter, adjustable intake. You might even want to go to an underdrive front pulley. That would give you a 7% increase in low end grunt by itself.
On the other hand, getting the rev-limit extended by Lloydz ECU reprogram restores the low end grunt and has a better timing curve in addition to raising the rev limit.
You just think you don't need the rev limit extended/ECU reprogrammed, but after you get the cams you might just change your mind.
Ronnie
does that apply for the NEWER cams as well? http://www.lloydz.com/store/item_view.asp?estore_itemid=1000025 |
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Jasper, MO | Have you seen the dyno charts for those cams? It hits 125 HP at about 5500 RPM and keeps on going at that level until it hits the new 6400 RPM rev-limit that Lloyd puts in his ECU reprogram.
In short, yep, it applies.
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