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CASTRO VALLEY, CA United States | Anyone know what this is? So top secret. |
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Grand Cane, LA | The "Gunner" is the new bobber style bike for this year. I'm still disappointed there is nothing out about if there is going to be any changes to the Vision for next year. I guess Victory is planning on flooding the market with a bunch more models rather worry about the quality of its present lines. Get too many different bikes out and the quality starts to suffer which is already starting to happen.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | As a little birdie put it, "Think highball without the reach" |
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New Bohemia, VA | Hmmmm, I need a bobber. |
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Manchester, CT | Im curious what type of market analysis and what demographic drove Victory to the conclusion that a bobber is a target rich market. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | spy photos ?? |
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Orlando, FL | OK, just went to the Owners site as it's after 12 Noon. So where is the sneak peek? |
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Orlando, FL | Ohhhhh, it's Noon Central Time? Damn it! |
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| great....another play to the redneck, harley loving, tractor pull watching, bar hoping wanna be riders. Time to upgrade the Vision or create another top notch Riders bike!
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | jeffmack - 2014-02-08 12:30 PM
great....another play to the redneck, harley loving, tractor pull watching, bar hoping wanna be riders. Time to upgrade the Vision or create another top notch Riders bike!
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| lol i hear you. just seems like last 4 years all new bikes offered to the same demographic. Sounds like another bolt on change to a existing bike. I sure am glad i love my vision and not in the market. But if Vic would produce or upgrade a top notch tourer id love to add to my stable. But i have now learned to not get excited about these unvails, let down for 4 years running now |
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Orlando, FL | I'm with ya Jeff. This is a Bobber? What an amazing disappointment. Creating the Gunner must have taken all of 5 minutes creative thought. Let's see, take a Highball, change the bars, add some paint, some boring rims and OMG, it's a Bobber! Yea, not realy. Actually, not at all. Another disaster with this one. |
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seattle, wa | Nothing too exciting.
The front end is too small, needs fatter bars and fork tubes. |
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Lusby,Md | No thanks |
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Clinton, CT | Envisioned something R. Lee Ermey would ride, but that's "Gunny Hartman" and can't imagine he would give a rat's ass about the "Gunner."
Yawn...
So when is the ground-up Vision makeover? Oh yea that's right, Victory shot their wad for innovation back in 2008... |
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New Mexico | Well, I like it! Obviously won't do what my Vision will, but IMHO a nice addition to their lineup.
Keeps the traditional Victory lines, smaller fenders, smooth cohesiveness with front/middle/rear of bike, exhaust look that is present but not overwhelming. Nice rims and large front tire. Really like the bars.
I say good job!
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Clinton, CT | I didn't say I didn't like it, it just seems like the answer to an unasked question- A somewhat milquetoast conglomeration from the parts bin. |
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| wow all this fuss for that???? looks like it rolled off the suzuki boulevard BOSS line. another fail
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Grand Cane, LA | Looks too much like the Judge. So WTH!!! Why create another bike with a identity crisis? |
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| It's a Vegas 8-ball with different wheels or a Highball without the apes.
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Central Maryland | Boots - 2014-02-08 1:38 PM
Well, I like it! Obviously won't do what my Vision will, but IMHO a nice addition to their lineup.
Keeps the traditional Victory lines, smaller fenders, smooth cohesiveness with front/middle/rear of bike, exhaust look that is present but not overwhelming. Nice rims and large front tire. Really like the bars.
I say good job!
Am not impressed. Looks like Victory's trying to develop a Harley Davidson 883 Sportster.
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New Mexico | I was thinking HDs `Switchback`.
No offense to anyone, but I never Loved `The Judge` because the center part of the bike looks out of place to me, and the `Boardwalk` rear fender is too big.
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New Bohemia, VA | tralphaz - 2014-02-08 5:44 PM It's a Vegas 8-ball wit!!fferent wheels or a Highball without the apes. Yeah!  |
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| All the hype?what a let down! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | major Yawn... use the same platform just throw a few bolt on items on, and call it a new model... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Looks good, Not for me though, if I want a middleweight standard powered by a V-twin I heading to KTM for the 1290 Super Duke. This Gunner is just a variation of several models Victory already offers. What we need is a new engine. don't get me wrong the 106 Freedom has been a great engine but it's time for a upgrade. Hell Harley's new/old TC 110 watecooled engine now makes 88.9 HP that's more than our 106's. Yeah I know it's basicly a stage 1 from a year ago except with the water cooled heads, BUT they passed EPA with a bigger cam and a extra half point of compression. How they got away with the open aircleaner I don't know. But they did........... |
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| XR, the 89 HP is brochure numbers. The 110 TC 2014 has been consistently putting rear wheel dyno number in the 79-83 range and tq numbers 95-98. For the 30k sticker price ill keep my 106, spend 1500.00 with KevinX, have 5 grand left over and run circles around the 110". Just keeping it apples to apples, brochure numbers are a fairy tail. |
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Saratoga NY area | The boardwalk and now the Gunner. Victory is on a role with revolutionary concepts.....NOT! So disappointed in Victory. Whats next, tinted front shield for the all new vision? |
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CASTRO VALLEY, CA United States | It's basically factory customization to appeal to as many riders as possible, and probably more so to riders who don't already own a Victory. Someone looking at bobbers or an entry level cruiser may see this as a great choice. Most of the negative critiques here are from Victory owners, but look at it from a perspective of someone who don't own a Victory. Looks like a better value than an HD Sporty. 1731 vs 1200. Remember Ride One and You'll Own One! |
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| I think some one at Vic has there
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | jeffmack - 2014-02-09 8:15 AM
XR, the 89 HP is brochure numbers. The 110 TC 2014 has been consistently putting rear wheel dyno number in the 79-83 range and tq numbers 95-98. For the 30k sticker price ill keep my 106, spend 1500.00 with KevinX, have 5 grand left over and run circles around the 110". Just keeping it apples to apples, brochure numbers are a fairy tail.
Jeff, nope those numbers came off Cycle World's dyno according to the March 2014 issue page 15 in the side bar. Exact numbers were 88.9 HP and 105.5 ft lbs. Don't get me wrong, Harleys TC even watercooled is not near the engine our 4 valve SOHC Freemdom engine is, but it may be time to enlarge or wring another 10 HP (stock) out of the Victory engines. I know about Lloyds products I have all the stuff to get 115.5 HP out of my '08, but I was talking about stock vs. stock.............. |
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| don't believe a rags write up. Have gotten to watch 2 independent 110" 2014 dyno runs. Both a little less than this run.
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Given the fact that Indian took many of the original engineers from Victory, it makes sad sense that Victory hasn't come out with a truly new platform in the last couple years. Several years back they announced they'd be introducing a new model every 6 months, it made practical sense that it would be a new "flavor" for an existing platform. A new platform every 6 months would be impossible given their engineering resources and the fact that Polaris operates as a very lean company. New platforms at Victory typically take years of development and testing.
My hope is that since its been a few years since the latest new Victory platform ?The Judge( or was it the Boardwalk? The lines are getting blurred) ? I'm hoping they come up with a new platform & direction around the time of Sturgis, traditionally their big debut venue. |
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Barrington, NH | The only thing new is the paintjob and the wheels... |
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Barrington, NH | I was hoping for Concept "B"...
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Barrington, NH | Or this...
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Central Maryland | I'd like to see Victory come out with a long, raked chopper; with the 106 engine. Like this:
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Central Illinois | zo6vette - 2014-02-10 5:59 PM The boardwalk and now the Gunner. Victory is on a role with revolutionary concepts.....NOT! So disappointed in Victory. Whats next, tinted front shield for the all new vision? Sounds good to me. Maybe they can call it a nightshade. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | willtill - 2014-02-11 12:07 PM
I'd like to see Victory come out with a long, raked chopper; with the 106 engine. Like this:
are choppers still even the "IN" thing anymore. (back when all those Chopper shows were on TV) i cant remember the last time i saw a chopper on the road anymore.. 10 years ago that was the craze.. around here where i live you saw all these little shops with the word CHOPPER attached to their shops name.. goofy names too.. shocked i didnt see a HorsePenis Choppers of something goofy like that..
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Central Maryland | But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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Clinton, CT | Chico7z - 2014-02-11 12:32 PM
Or this...
I'd buy that...
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Barrington, NH | willtill - 2014-02-11 5:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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Central Maryland | Chico7z - 2014-02-11 11:54 PM
willtill - 2014-02-11 5:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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Looks like one of Scott's conquest bike raked out would be a good start...
That's bad ass!
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Maylene, AL | Victory needs to stop making "Harley Like" motorcycles and use the creativity that designed the Vision. |
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The Great Northwet | A Vegas is still a Vegas no matter what tires, wheels, paint and seat you bolt on.......
Nothing to see here....move along |
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Pittsburgh, PA | willtill - 2014-02-11 4:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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of course. but this isnt about you.. this is about sales and marketing.. that is why Victory didn't do what you would like to do.. Im sure they are more than capable to make a "Chopper" .. I personally would like to see a motorcycle company do something i would like.. but if what i like is not profitable then..... just saying...
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Pittsburgh, PA | willtill - 2014-02-11 4:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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of course. but this isnt about you.. this is about sales and marketing.. that is why Victory didn't do what you would like to do.. Im sure they are more than capable to make a "Chopper" .. I personally would like to see a motorcycle company do something i would like.. but if what i like is not profitable then..... just saying...
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Central Maryland | Arkainzeye - 2014-02-12 7:56 PM
willtill - 2014-02-11 4:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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of course. but this isnt about you.. this is about sales and marketing.. that is why Victory didn't do what you would like to do.. Im sure they are more than capable to make a "Chopper" .. I personally would like to see a motorcycle company do something i would like.. but if what i like is not profitable then..... just saying...
Well then, I guess YOU have to settle for what is offered to you. I will not. I would like to see something different. And unique. Like a comeback of the choppers.
And for your own edification; EVERYTHING is about me.
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Barrington, NH | willtill - 2014-02-12 6:49 AM
Chico7z - 2014-02-11 11:54 PM
willtill - 2014-02-11 5:22 PM
But I like choppers. And.... I don't give a tinker's damn or flying flip; if others think it's "in" or not.
I don't follow the pack. I am not one of the herd. I like to do my own thing. So in keeping with that line of thought.... Victory needs to come up with something "different". I say; let them give birth to a new Victory Chopper !!!!
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Looks like one of Scott's conquest bike raked out would be a good start...
That's bad ass!
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Barrington, NH | I'm more of a "prostreet" long n low guy, that is why I am building a Hammer but to each their own!! |
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Barrington, NH | Here are a couple more ideas that I with they would make...
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Warrenton, VA | Unfortunately, the Gunner does not bring anything new to the styling department when you look at the rest of Victory's cruiser line and for me I was hoping that they would grow "a set" again like they did with the Vision and push more towards something like a Conquest Customs bobber look. The Gunner is the Judge meets a highball without the Highball handlebars.
I understand they are in a very competitive motorcycle business but for me when you think "bobber" the Highball fits that better than the Gunner. You cannot argue with Victory's engine, HP and torque. Polaris with the Indian line, you can tell they did their homework and paying homage to the Indian styling heritage but with modern technology. They should have done the same for a "Bobber". Do a Google search for Bobber motorcycles and then look at the Gunner and ask yourself are they close? For me, No...
Hell, do a search for Honda Shadow Bobber kits and those are closer to the Bobber look than the Gunner. I think they have watered down the Vic cruiser line in the styling department but opinions are like....... and I threw mine into the ring.
You know there are folks at Vic HQ that know what a bobber should look like but the Gunner was a business decision. I wish the design guys could win every now and then
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