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Manchester, CT | Fellow Riders...now my VV has been upgraded with cams etc, I found a clear highway and ran it through the gears. I didn't push terminal velocity but at the 100mph mark it seemed like I was driving through jello...it took almost 2+ seconds from 100 to get to 105. One thing, I haven't dyno tuned the engine/PC-V. I am also going to install Lloydz timing wheel.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Down shift to 5th gear. 6th is an overdrive, and trying to overcome aero drag at that speed; from a roll on is kinda tough
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | If you don't have the ECM reprogrammed the speed limiter will kick in around 122 mph. I have two Visions one has 115 HP the other 90. They both have the same top speed in 6th gear ( 122 ). However on the Wytoec dyno in Daytona this spring I noticed in 5th gear @ 6000 rpm the speed was 131 mph. It appears the speed limiter isn't active in 5th gear...........
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Akron Ohio area | I've got a factory stock 2011 Vision Tour with the top case attached that can easily attain 109 MPH in 6th gear.
The only reason I shut it down at that point is that the front end feels slightly "floaty" at that speed. |
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Central Maryland | Your pushing a lot of wind at those speeds with the Vision. I've had mine to 100mph.
I've had my Rocket III up to 130mph and it's set up with no limiter; and will go faster.... but the wind becomes the greatest obstacle at speeds beyond. Hard to drive a brick at 130+ mph.... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | It's not really that hard, I went 100 mph for ten straight miles on I-90 in Eastern South Dakota last summer on the way to Sturgis. There was a 1800 Goldwing right with me. I had a large bag on the luggage rack too.......... It dosen't even seem that fast after you've been going 85 mph for hours at a time........The west is so different highway wise......... |
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Cruiser
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| Most Curious... my 2011 with Lloyds new cams and all the other bolt on stuff (still 106) dyno'd at 120hp and 120lb but when the gents running the dyno over at the factory during the AVR tested for high speed, they got 134 in 5th gear and 6K rpm, but when they moved to 6th gear the limiter kicked in at 4,500 rpm.
It does strike me as funny but I'm not a mechanic and 134 is probably faster than I will ever need to go. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | wdwurker - 2013-09-08 1:27 AM
Most Curious... my 2011 with Lloyds new cams and all the other bolt on stuff (still 106) dyno'd at 120hp and 120lb but when the gents running the dyno over at the factory during the AVR tested for high speed, they got 134 in 5th gear and 6K rpm, but when they moved to 6th gear the limiter kicked in at 4,500 rpm.
It does strike me as funny but I'm not a mechanic and 134 is probably faster than I will ever need to go.
That sounds right give or take +/- 1 or 2 mph. The speedlimiter only works in 6th gear..........It is not a rpm limiter.........
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Jasper, MO | XRsteve - 2013-09-07 4:48 PM
It's not really that hard, I went 100 mph for ten straight miles on I-90 in Eastern South Dakota last summer on the way to Sturgis. There was a 1800 Goldwing right with me. I had a large bag on the luggage rack too.......... It dosen't even seem that fast after you've been going 85 mph for hours at a time........The west is so different highway wise.........
A buddy and I once went from Walsenburg, Colorado to La Junta, Colorado (a distance of 74 miles) in 47 minutes. We were running in front of a storm and had a strong tailwind. We often ran past 100 MPH, but did slow down when meeting another vehicle. He rides a GL1800, which is electronically limited to 129 MPH. I can outrun his Goldwing. Slowing back down to 70 MPH after reaching La Junta felt like we weren't even moving. Both bikes will run over 100 MPH, with the cruise control locked on, for long periods of time with no trouble.
Yes, the West is different. Most of that stretch of road has no power lines visible and there are only a handful of ranches visible--far off the road.
I only have the cams, VFCIII, top filter, and Lloydz program in my ECU (6400 RPM in all six gears and no top speed limiter). Stock exhaust and front filter.
The OP needs to get that PCV tuned. Something ain't right if that bike won't pull over 105 MPH. Heck, mine will pull 110 MPH in 4th gear, and hits 105 MPH in 4th gear, in a quarter of a mile at the dragstrip, and I've got the timeslips to prove it. 5th gear is good for 133 MPH. 6th gear is good for more than that--with a tailwind.
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Jasper, MO | XRsteve - 2013-09-08 7:55
That sounds right give or take +/- 1 or 2 mph. The speedlimiter only works in 6th gear..........It is not a rpm limiter.........
Yes, and no. The "speed limiter" is a function of the ECU programming and is accomplished by limiting the RPM in 6th gear to 4550 RPM, thus limiting the top speed to 120 MPH in 6th gear. Lloydz reprogram of the ECU raises the RPM limit to 6400 in ALL SIX gears, unlike the PCV, which only adds a given amount of RPM to the stock limits in the ECU. The default "rev-extend" option in the PCV adds 500 RPM to the stock ECU limits. This allows 6000 in the lower gears, but not in 6th.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | rdbudd : It's a fun experience ain't it, I mean running fast out west. Have a good day my man.............steve |
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Jasper, MO | XRsteve - 2013-09-08 11:00 AM
rdbudd : It's a fun experience ain't it, I mean running fast out west. Have a good day my man.............steve
Yessir, it is. My Goldwing riding buddy and I are old (and getting older) crotch rocket riders who have spent a great deal of time racing on the street and strip (and building/modifying fast bikes). Just because we have graduated to heavy touring bikes doesn't mean we don't still play from time to time. We also live in very rural part of the Midwest, and turn the wick up quite often, although not for such extended periods of time as out West. Out West, as you know, in many areas, you can go very long distances without meeting another vehicle, or even seeing a house. It's great!!
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Cruiser
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| Sort of makes you wonder, H or V rated tires. |
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | if the Lloydz/ProCharger solution is offered.....Z rating  |
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Jasper, MO | rebelce - 2013-09-10 1:52 PM
Sort of makes you wonder, H or V rated tires.
A little. But, H rated tires are rated for full loads at 130 MPH SUSTAINED speeds. Now that I've already proven to my 1800 Goldwing riding buddies that they can't keep up, we rarely go that fast anyway.
The Goldwings and the Vision are both perfectly happy cruising at 100 MPH though, and the H rated tires are fine for that.
I don't know what the supercharged Visions will do for tires. They'll probably be hunting down BMW K1600s 
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | rdbudd - 2013-09-10 5:16 PM
rebelce - 2013-09-10 1:52 PM
Sort of makes you wonder, H or V rated tires.
A little. But, H rated tires are rated for full loads at 130 MPH SUSTAINED speeds. Now that I've already proven to my 1800 Goldwing riding buddies that they can't keep up, we rarely go that fast anyway.
The Goldwings and the Vision are both perfectly happy cruising at 100 MPH though, and the H rated tires are fine for that.
I don't know what the supercharged Visions will do for tires. They'll probably be hunting down BMW K1600s
Ronnie
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Cruiser
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| I suppose if all else fails, we can just use a little shoe polish on the sidewalls and make 'em good for 200! Wish we didn't have that 120 limit (or the cost of a reflash). Anyone know if the 6th gear resistor effects your speedo? |
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New Orleans, La, | Reflash with Lloydz and neverlook back. I did B-) |
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Iron Butt
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| I have Lloydz cams, vfc, intake, 6400 rpm. Was able to get 138 on my gps on a fully loaded bike with top box. Was a very long run. This was in 5th gear, when in 6th she just slowly eased down to 110ish. |
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New Orleans, La, | Before I did any mods I could hit the rev/ speed limiter in 6th gear @ 120ish and it hit so hard I nearly lost control and definitely got my attention. This speed was recorded on the bikes speedo. Since then I added cams, reflashed ecu, 1/4 pull ring. Already had the top filter, VFC3, and stage 1 front filter and s1l2 exhaust and can easily exceed 125 mph in 5th especially in the early am with the bike just up to op. temp.. Probably could do more but, I live in the southeast La. Aand we don't have large wide open spaces like the west and mid west. And yes I am jealously. :-P |
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Jasper, MO | jeffmack - 2013-09-11 9:19 AM
I have Lloydz cams, vfc, intake, 6400 rpm. Was able to get 138 on my gps on a fully loaded bike with top box. Was a very long run. This was in 5th gear, when in 6th she just slowly eased down to 110ish.
You must have been going uphill without realizing it. Those long stretches of road can conceal uphill grades. Try it again going in the other direction.
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Thanks to everyone who has replied! Keep it coming...maybe it will help to get our hands on the Lloydz/Procharger configuration
I am just wrapping up my timing wheel upgrade. I will take a test run once I'm sure I don't have pinging. Right now I have to put dyno tuning on hold due to the financial situation. My new friend and riding partner in crime, rebelce, was king enough to loan me his autotuner. Unfortunately Arr, Chris stopped by last night and told me that your AT won't work on my 2013. |
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Iron Butt
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| rdbudd - 2013-09-10 5:16 PM
rebelce - 2013-09-10 1:52 PM
Sort of makes you wonder, H or V rated tires.
A little. But, H rated tires are rated for full loads at 130 MPH SUSTAINED speeds. Now that I've already proven to my 1800 Goldwing riding buddies that they can't keep up, we rarely go that fast anyway.
The Goldwings and the Vision are both perfectly happy cruising at 100 MPH though, and the H rated tires are fine for that.
I don't know what the supercharged Visions will do for tires. They'll probably be hunting down BMW K1600s
Ronnie
LOL... and falling prey to them. 
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Jasper, MO | The BMW K1600GTL touring version is electronically limited to 136 MPH. The BMW K1600GT version is not limited and can theoretically run up to 155 MPH, but most owners report they struggle to get over 150 MPH, with the bags removed.
Normally aspirated cammed Visions are already running in the mid 130s without much trouble. I think a supercharged Vision would be in the top speed game, and probably also in the quarter mile games, especially with the touring version of the BMW.
FWIW, 150 MPH in 6th gear would be only 5700 RPM on a Vision--right in the meat of the powerband of the VM1 cams. You just need to stuff some more (compressed) air and fuel in there.
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manitoba canada | had my 08 vision up to 130mph on gps and it went into a wobble bad, let off and it came out of it . I blame the car tire and the trunk ,tried it with out the trunk and it is a lot more stable at high speeds |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | rdbudd - 2013-09-11 5:07 PM
The BMW K1600GTL touring version is electronically limited to 136 MPH. The BMW K1600GT version is not limited and can theoretically run up to 155 MPH, but most owners report they struggle to get over 150 MPH, with the bags removed.
Normally aspirated cammed Visions are already running in the mid 130s without much trouble. I think a supercharged Vision would be in the top speed game, and probably also in the quarter mile games, especially with the touring version of the BMW.
FWIW, 150 MPH in 6th gear would be only 5700 RPM on a Vision--right in the meat of the powerband of the VM1 cams. You just need to stuff some more (compressed) air and fuel in there.
Ronnie
5700 rpm in sixth ?? Yeah with a blower it should be able to do it. Alot of pressure on the crankshaft. Good thing it's a one piece riding on plain bearings NOT like Harley's 3 piece flywheel junk......... |
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Jasper, MO | XRsteve - 2013-09-11 6:37 PM
rdbudd - 2013-09-11 5:07 PM
The BMW K1600GTL touring version is electronically limited to 136 MPH. The BMW K1600GT version is not limited and can theoretically run up to 155 MPH, but most owners report they struggle to get over 150 MPH, with the bags removed.
Normally aspirated cammed Visions are already running in the mid 130s without much trouble. I think a supercharged Vision would be in the top speed game, and probably also in the quarter mile games, especially with the touring version of the BMW.
FWIW, 150 MPH in 6th gear would be only 5700 RPM on a Vision--right in the meat of the powerband of the VM1 cams. You just need to stuff some more (compressed) air and fuel in there.
Ronnie
5700 rpm in sixth ?? Yeah with a blower it should be able to do it. Alot of pressure on the crankshaft. Good thing it's a one piece riding on plain bearings NOT like Harley's 3 piece flywheel junk.........
Several of us have reported speeds well into the mid 130s in 5th gear. Jeffmack saw a GPS verified 138 MPH in 5th gear, which meant his bike was turning just a bit over 6200 RPM (and he was running 2 MPH faster than the stock electronically limited BMW K1600GTL). We know the Victory motors can take the RPM at the power levels the normally aspirated ones produce. Some of them are producing better than 120 FT/Lbs of torque. If enough boost was employed to keep the engine producing 120 FT/LBS of torque at 6200 RPM, you get nearly 142 horsepower at the wheel. The BMW K1600GTL is reported to make 134.9 HP at 7900 RPM at the wheel.
To match the 136 MPH top speed of the BMW K1600GTL, the Vision would have to be running 5148 RPM in 6th gear. Or, 6132 RPM in 5th gear.
So, maybe the BMW owner gets his speed limiter "fixed" like we do, so that it will run with the K1600GT.
To match the 155 MPH top speed of the BMW K1600GT, the Vision would have to be running 5867 RPM in 6th gear. If a boosted Victory was making 120 FT/LB of torque at 5867 RPM, it would also be applying 134 horsepower to the wheel.
Now, how are we going to get Z rated tires on a Vision?
Ronnie
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| Glad the timing wheel worked well. Bummer that Auto tune I lent ya won't work, give me a call when I can come back over and pick it up. Maybe get another ride in. Arr |
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