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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Bought a S1L2 kit ( brand new in box ) including front airfilter and slip on mufflers off EBay. Got the whole kit for $310.00. Said they fit Visions 2008-2010. Well I'm here to tell ya they slipped right on my 2013 with no modifications. Sound pretty good, not nearly as booming as the CFR's on my 2008 but they are nice. I wanted a little quiter for my long distance bike which the 2013 will be................. |
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Ruskin, Fl | I put a set on my 2013 too. I did have a little trouble getting the rear bolt in. A dremmel took care of that pretty quick.
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Manchester, CT | Don't want to hijack this thread but what is the difference between S1L2? |
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Ruskin, Fl | The stage 2 pipes are one piece slip on. They look awesome. No chrome cover held on with a hose clamp. I believe they are louder than Stage 1. I bought mine used with the Atom Bomb mod. Still not as loud as the Honkers I had, but they sound great.
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Peru, IN | Tom --- S1L2 = Stage 1 Level 2. There aren't many around so most of what you see is the S1L1 (Stage 1 Level 1 or just Stage 1). I guess it would be better to say most of what you "hear" is S1L1 since the Stage 1 mufflers just replace the stockers, utilizing the OEM (chrome) heat shields (like cw111115 said).
First vid is a comparison between a stock exhaust and the S1L1. Second vid is S1L2 exhaust.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4b33cNYTM8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE9INwk9puw
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Yep the second video is just what it sounds like. Better when the engine is pulling down the road with a load on it............ |
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NE Florida Jacksonville | You will find that after around 5000 miles they get seasoned with soot and sound even better. I've got over 20k on mine and they sound great. Long rides don't leave your ears ringing and you can hear the radio. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | ingle51 - 2013-04-26 8:06 PM
You will find that after around 5000 miles they get seasoned with soot and sound even better. I've got over 20k on mine and they sound great. Long rides don't leave your ears ringing and you can hear the radio.
Exactly, that's why I tried them. The CFR's on my 2008 are just a tad bit loud on the freeway at 80 mph hour after hour..............Think I'll like these. |
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Manchester, CT | Thanks Monkeyman et all! I wanted to go with the S1L2s but had to settle on what the dealer could get. I could have shopped around but I am still very pleased with the L1S1 exhaust note especially when you open it up (within break in limits). I have many years ahead with the Eagle and there will be plenty of time and hope $ to improve upon an already great motorcycle! |
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | I bought my S1L2's new off Ebay for $300 and put 'em on myself too. In your kit you should also have a card with a bar code on it. If you want to have the S1 map flashed you'll need it. I had a dealer flash mine for $65 and it did make a difference. |
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Manchester, CT | Thanks ByteN2it....the dealer flashed it when he installed the exhaust and other accessories I had ordered for the bike. |
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| Street Eagle - 2013-04-26 7:46 PM
Thanks Monkeyman et all! I wanted to go with the S1L2s but had to settle on what the dealer could get. I could have shopped around but I am still very pleased with the L1S1 exhaust note especially when you open it up (within break in limits). I have many years ahead with the Eagle and there will be plenty of time and hope $ to improve upon an already great motorcycle!
That's what I'm thinking Street Eagle, I'm getting a Vision sometime soon and thinking about adding the S1 system. If the system doesn't quite sound the way I'd like it too, then I'll probably upgrade later to something like the S1L2 pipes. |
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| I have the s1l2 pipes too, they started sounding good at about 8k miles. I can't imagine changing them unless Rinehart comes out with Vision pipes. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | There are S1L2's on Ebay all the time ( Brand New ) you can't always get them for $310.00 though. Just bid and see. There's not that many of us you know................. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | There's a couple sets on Ebay this morning. One starts at $295 bidding a couple others want $625 and $699 BUY it now prices. Wide range. I say the $600 plus prices are crazy, they'll sit there for months and not sell.............. |
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Central Maryland | Uuugh... hate this thread... so frikken influencing. Just ordered S1L2's w/performance air filter from Ebay... ($400.00)
...I had drilled out my stockers recently but I do like the S1L2 sound better. And I like the idea of a solid, one piece chromed muffler
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | willtill - 2013-04-27 7:17 AM
Uuugh... hate this thread... so frikken influencing. Just ordered S1L2's w/performance air filter from Ebay... ($400.00)
...I had drilled out my stockers recently but I do like the S1L2 sound better. And I like the idea of a solid, one piece chromed muffler
At least you got it for a good price !!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Central Maryland | XRsteve - 2013-04-27 6:21 PM
willtill - 2013-04-27 7:17 AM
Uuugh... hate this thread... so frikken influencing. Just ordered S1L2's w/performance air filter from Ebay... ($400.00)
...I had drilled out my stockers recently but I do like the S1L2 sound better. And I like the idea of a solid, one piece chromed muffler
At least you got it for a good price !!!!!!!!!!!!
Ya, I'd rather have gotten it even cheaper... but $400 isn't real bad... should have them between May 1st and May 7th. |
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| 400.00 is a good price.
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| What is the difference in the fuel mileage after you go to these upgrades. I would love to have the sound but I don't want to give up much fuel mileage. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | None if you just switch pipes. But it will go down if you replace the airfilter with a freeer flowing one and add a fuel controller............. |
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | My mpg average went up with twin air filters, cams, fuel controller- it's a more efficient engine now-43 mpg |
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| ByteN2it... I've heard that the 2nd (TOP) air filter creates a very loud 'sucking' sound. Is that true in your experience? |
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | There's some increased intake/valve train noise only when you excellerate. I certainly would not call it "very Loud" at all. I don't even notice it anymore. |
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| steve76t - 2013-05-03 11:50 PM ByteN2it... I've heard that the 2nd (TOP) air filter creates a very loud 'sucking' sound. Is that true in your experience? It's a sound like the old cowl induction cars made and it's only at idle. Personally I like the sound. |
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Central Maryland | Fedex delivered my S1L2 yesterday at work. Unfortunately the mufflers are still there; and I'm 50 miles away at home since I rode my Vision yesterday and had no way the bring the mufflers back home. Will have to take the truck (ugh) sometime next week to work; just to pick them up and bring them home to install.
Have to have stuff delivered at work these days since the unwashed masses like to steal items being delivered right off my doorstep occasionally.
The S1L2's also came with a Victory "performance filter" but it doesn't look too healthy; seems that somehow the wire mesh has rusted and left spots of crumbly rusted metal all over the filter element; am not installing this thing in my intake; less the chance of debris being sucked into the engine. I'll just go buy a new one; not sure if I need it anyway though since I already have Lloyds top air filter installed.
Question: has anyone had their ECU reflashed with the needed S1L2 map; and also are still using a Fuel controller after the fact?
I have the Dobeck JetKit Fuel controller installed and it is currently set for a aftermarket filter and aftermarket exhaust. I can set the Dobeck to mimic stock ECU settings; and I am wondering if it would be worth it to have the Victory dealer re-flash with the S1L2 map; and then for me to add more fuel if desired to give even more pull on acceleration and WOT.
Should I re-flash or just continue to use the Dobeck with the S1L2 mufflers and Lloydz top air filter? Thoughts?
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Never used it but I've read that the dealer reflash dosen't do much of anything............ been using PC-V's on everything.......... |
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| if all you are doing is changing your pipes, then you shouldn't need to change anything in the programing. Especially since you already have a fuel controller that's set for performance filters and aftermarket exhaust. |
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Central Maryland | Well I also have the Lloyds top air filter as well. I'll stick with the Dobeck Fuel controller for now and see how the plugs and tailpipes look after a couple hundred miles or so.
Initial recommended base settings that the Dobeck was programmed for (Vision with aftermarket exhaust and air filter - stage 1 modifications) was set at at 3.5 (cruising) 2 (acceleration) and .5 (WOT)
Right now I have the Dobeck set on 3.5 (cruising) 2 (acceleration) and 2 (WOT). |
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Central Maryland | Just got done cussing and bitching at the OEM stock pipes, myself and the exhaust sealant putty that I had smeared all of the muffler/mid pipe union after I had reinstalled them; from my test run with the Thrush muffler mod. I didn't know that chit was going to be like a frikken weld practically; after it had dried.
Thank gawd for penetrating oil, and lots of it.
I'm going to sand off the rest of that dried muffler putty from the mid pipe outlets before installing the new S1L2 mufflers. Not going through that tug -O- war crap again.
I didn't know that the S1L2's were straight through (like the thrush). I thought they had baffles in them. Not a show stopper; can't wait to get them installed. Need to recover in place though first, with a couple of beers... before going back out and finishing the job.
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Central Maryland | Got them installed and finally figured out that trick to the Saddlebag lower access panels (removal and reinstall). Fired her up. pipes sound deep in low rumble at idle, but can't give a good report until I take her out for a run. Unfortunately I have ingested quite a few beers now so have elected not to run up and down the street with them (new pipes). We'll see tomorrow :-) |
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| the S1L2 is baffled, just with a fairly long spiral louvered wrapped baffle. They aren't much louder than stage 1 pipes and probably quieter than your Thrush modified pipes, right? |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | They are good pipes and sound OK. But I think I'm gonna try the Thundersticks next, I want something with a little more rumble............ |
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Central Maryland | steve76t - 2013-05-08 12:00 AM
the S1L2 is baffled, just with a fairly long spiral louvered wrapped baffle. They aren't much louder than stage 1 pipes and probably quieter than your Thrush modified pipes, right?
Yes, they are quieter than the Thrush pipes. Although that is what I wanted. There was just too much resonance behind me with the Thrush, although they had a good sound.
I do look forward to seeing how the tone develops with the S1L2's.
I also like the aesthetics of the pipe. No ancillary heat shields attached with straps; and I like the better crafted exhaust end as well.
Is there a market for stock OEM Vision pipes? I had drilled the back of them out with the 6each 1/2" holes and cut that angled end plate of of it; but other than that; the OEM pipes are in great condition with only 12K on them....
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Central Maryland | So I got a chance to tear up my locality today with the new S1L2 pipes.
First impressions; they seem to be quieter than the drilled out stock OEM muffler ends that I had previously; at cruising speed. They do have a nice bark when you're behind them and rev the throttle, but it's not annoying or really noticeable when you are in the seat. So that's good... for a Ipod/radio perspective.
Second; there's an irritating spray of rusty moisture from condensation; that emits from them when you first fire her up. I ddn't have that issue with the stock OEM pipes. I do hope that soot eventually seals up the surface inside; so the rusty droplets/spittle ceases. Since the are new; I hope that this is a temporary case.
The pipes do look good though, and I hope I stay attached to them for the long haul.
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Central Maryland | kris1956 - 2013-05-09 5:05 PM
Give them time, they'll get louder.
That would be pleasant  ..as long as they don't sound like Honkers. And just the thought of them getting louder over time,,, I digress now.... the DR aftermarket exhaust on my DR650SE gets loud when the packing starting to deteriorate inside... necessitating a repack. Hope the S1L2 sucker's do not require a repack! 
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | First thing I did with mine was mask off the ends and paint the inside tip with barbeque flat black-32K and mine sound great-just enough bark for me.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/BRIANnCOLO/IMG_0429_zps2c0d5b...
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | They Do look good, that's a fact................. |
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Central Maryland | ByteN2it - 2013-05-09 10:32 PM
First thing I did with mine was mask off the ends and paint the inside tip with barbeque flat black-32K and mine sound great-just enough bark for me.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/BRIANnCOLO/IMG_0429_zps2c0d5b...
Yes, I may just spray them ends with BBQ paint myself. I did it to the OEM exhaust after drilling it out; it looked better than the sooty, dirty chrome on the inside of the chromed tailpipe end |
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Central Maryland | The S1L2's sounded really good going in to work today (50 mile highway run). I'm liking them. And the bike seems to be more "alive" (hard to put into words), but I think it has been unbridled a little. I need to get my camera set up and zoom back and forth a couple of times; I have no sense of what it sounds like when it's at speed and under load. I must find out.
I'll post a link to the video whenever I get it done. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | They do sound better under a load. I let my buddy ride mine by me at about 65mph, they sounded good, not too loud......... |
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| Before you spend more money stand on the side of the road and have a Buddy make a few pass?'s. Our bikes have so much gear noise when ridding you don't get a true sound of whats going on behind you |
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Central Maryland | johnnyvision - 2013-05-13 7:16 PM
Before you spend more money stand on the side of the road and have a Buddy make a few pass?'s. Our bikes have so much gear noise when ridding you don't get a true sound of whats going on behind you
This is so very true. I know my S1 L2's are making some nice bass behind me... but I can't hear it at all. I do get a nice low drone at speed... but am really anxious to hear what they sound like to traffic adjacent; and immediately behind me. |
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| willtill - 2013-05-13 5:16 PM
johnnyvision - 2013-05-13 7:16 PM
Before you spend more money stand on the side of the road and have a Buddy make a few pass?'s. Our bikes have so much gear noise when ridding you don't get a true sound of whats going on behind you
This is so very true. I know my S1 L2's are making some nice bass behind me... but I can't hear it at all. I do get a nice low drone at speed... but am really anxious to hear what they sound like to traffic adjacent; and immediately behind me.
If you have a camera with decent video & sound, you can set it up on a open stretch of road and ride past it. I plan to try this soon as I know the pipes sound great from off the bike, but it is hard to get a true feel for the sound when your riding it. Either that, or as others suggest, have a buddy ride it by you to see how it sounds. |
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| "Right now I have the Dobeck set on 3.5 (cruising) 2 (acceleration) and 2 (WOT)." Will: What do you have the last 2 setting at? (accelotation kick-in) (WOT kick-in) |
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Central Maryland | wingit3611 - 2013-05-14 9:52 AM
"Right now I have the Dobeck set on 3.5 (cruising) 2 (acceleration) and 2 (WOT)." Will:? ?What do you have the last 2 setting at? (accelotation kick-in) (WOT kick-in)? ?
I left the acceleration and WOT switchpoints alone. Currently they are set at .5 and 4 respectively. I am still trying to get a feel for the settings; just haven't had a good day and weather where I could find a unused road to play with the unit.
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| I like the S1L2 kit it looks good and according to my scale you save 14 pounds total from removing the stock pipes. |
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| I like the S1L2 kit it looks good and according to my scale you save 14 pounds total from removing the stock pipes. I used some high heat rattle can flat black on the inner tips ,so it will look stock and you wont see the color change the stock silver inner tips will show after some miles.
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Central Maryland | Looks good Banjo. I am definitely going to do the same. As soon as I can find time to stop riding it 
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Georgia | I just purchased a new set of s1 L2 online from a dealer in California for $249.99 w/free shipping. UPS just delivered them this afternoon. The website is victorypartsrus.com. They may have more at that price. Anyone have dyno numbers with these slipons?
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Jasper, MO | Lloydz has a chart with S1L2 and his top intake showing 91 HP and 106 TQ with the power dropping off past 4000 - 4250 RPM, which is what the stock cams do (drop off after 4000 - 4250 that is).
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Central Maryland | vision2012 - 2013-05-15 7:44 PM
I just purchased a new set of s1 L2 online from a dealer in California for $249.99 w/free shipping. UPS just delivered them this afternoon. The website is victorypartsrus.com. They may have more at that price. Anyone have dyno numbers with these slipons?
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| OK, I should know & and I'll probably think of what VIP stands for on Lloydz Dyno charts after I send this. "VIP" what is it? |
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Peru, IN | wingit3611 - 2013-05-16 10:27 AM
"VIP" what is it?
Very Important Primate. |
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Jasper, MO | wingit3611 - 2013-05-16 9:27 AM
OK, I should know & and I'll probably think of what VIP stands for on Lloydz Dyno charts after I send this. "VIP" what is it?
Or, also known as Vision Intake Filter, which replaces the Vision Intake Plate (VIP) http://www.lloydz.com/store/item_view.asp?estore_itemid=1000120 He probably should have referred to it as the VIF. Maybe a typo.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | The new blue K&N style is WAY BETTER than the original foam plate filter as far as airflow goes. I just replaced mine........ |
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Peru, IN | It showed on that site so I tried to order a pair. It wouldn't let me. I guess they're out. |
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Hinton, Iowa | Just ordered a set yesterday. Call them and ask for Jake. Great people. |
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