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Bella Vista, AR | I've seen several posts where folks have claimed to drag the Vision while cornering. While not saying I don't believe it, I am saying I would like to see photo or video evidence of this occurrence. It seems as though the lean angle to drag the tipovers is extreme to make this a regular, let alone safe, practice. |
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Bella Vista, AR | I like those VV police bikes. I heard a small bit of scraping, but couldn't tell if it was the front or rear tipover. I'm thinking the air pressure in the rear shock would have an effect on the rear touching down. I push my Vision pretty hard sometimes, but have never dragged anything, but also run my shock in the upper range of the pressure setting. As I mentioned before, not saying it ain't happening, just wondering how hard others are pushing when it does happen. |
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Brighton, TN | You don't have to push hard to get that big beast to lean over and stay there. The floorboards touch first as a early warning system(which mine are pretty roughed up). If you have highway pegs they go before the floorboards. I have probably ground a 1/2 inch of material off the ends of the pegs. Then the tipovers touch, grinding away never really upsetting the bike and I have lost quite a bit of material on those. I'll look and see if have pics of the MSF course where I drug them A LOT! That was in a parking lot and I was running as hard as I could. The instructors said goI as fast as your pucker factor will allow. It ain't hard and very stable, lay it on its tipovers and then sit on it and see if you can tip it any farther. One of the reps early on would lay it over and then try to drive it and right the bike. Never heard if he succeeded! I can definitely see where it can be done if he could get traction.
Ride it like a sportbike knee dragging and all and you will really be amazed at what this bike can do. Slide over and shift weight just don't sit in the middle and then get back to me. |
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| pollolittle - 2013-04-22 6:33 AM
You don't have to push hard to get that big beast to lean over and stay there. The floorboards touch first as a early warning system(which mine are pretty roughed up). If you have highway pegs they go before the floorboards. I have probably ground a 1/2 inch of material off the ends of the pegs. Then the tipovers touch, grinding away never really upsetting the bike and I have lost quite a bit of material on those. I'll look and see if have pics of the MSF course where I drug them A LOT! That was in a parking lot and I was running as hard as I could. The instructors said goI as fast as your pucker factor will allow. It ain't hard and very stable, lay it on its tipovers and then sit on it and see if you can tip it any farther. One of the reps early on would lay it over and then try to drive it and right the bike. Never heard if he succeeded! I can definitely see where it can be done if he could get traction.
Ride it like a sportbike knee dragging and all and you will really be amazed at what this bike can do. Slide over and shift weight just don't sit in the middle and then get back to me.
I have demonstrated my tipover protection to interested persons when I first got the bike. My tipovers don't touch until the fairing is probably less than a foot from the ground. I can't see riding it down that far. That being said, I was two up once, coming around a corner in the dark, hit a patch of sand or gravel, rode it down to the ground (tipovers), then popped it back up once we hit pavement. Passenger never flinched or jumped off, just rode it back up with me, bless her heart! LOL But, that was a slow speed low side, that without the tipovers, would have caused damage (probably to me and the bike), and well beyond where it could be ridden in a controlled lean. Not even super bike racing takes it down as far as my bike goes before it hits' the tips. Possible differences are that I don't have my bike lowered, and I keep the (chart) recommended air pressure in the shock for whatever "load" I'm carrying. I also keep my tires aired up properly.
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| Prior to me installing the saddlebag skirts/exhaust lowers on my bike, I used to love the lean angle on it. I rode crotch rockets for 20 years and loved cornering. For such a huge bike, the vision feels right at home in corners. I've had many friends ask me how da hell am I able to hold that heavy bike in the curves as I do. They dont realize that the bike is doing most of the work, I'm just the picking out the lines while she eats them up, lol. After installing the saddlebag skirts/exhaust lowers on the bike, I've noticed that I have to be extra careful because they drag very easy. I have to go through turns slower or at least wider so as not to scrape them. I've even scraped them making a left turn to sharp. Since they are color matched to my bike, I dont want to ruin them. So I've said all this to say, Aesthetics comes with a price. I love the look of this accessory but I hate the loss of the tight cornering ability that I had to give up. There's pics of them in my gallery if you wanna see them. If you decide to pursue this mod think carefully about whether or not you like to carve canyons with your bike prior to purchasing them. If you do prefer your vision leaned over, I would highly recommend against getting these.
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Phenix City AL. | Come to the S.E. Victory rally at the end of may to the first of june in Helen GA, if you have slight brain damage, or a set of nuts, you can ride with some people that just love that scrapping sound. |
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| jb.hatch - 2013-04-22 8:03 AM
Come to the S.E. Victory rally at the end of may to the first of june in Helen GA, if you have slight brain damage, or a set of nuts, you can ride with some people that just love that scrapping sound.
I was there last year. Is your bike lowered, I don't recall now....
Anyway, as I said, I've seen my bike on it's tipovers.... the fairing is just barely above ground. I've never seen anyone ride a bike at speed that far leaned over, even the superbike racers on TV don't get it as far over as my bike leans on its tipovers. |
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New Bohemia, VA | for criminy sakes, double post. Joke time... FB6
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New Bohemia, VA | I wonder if some questions are real. Dragging the Vision, are you kidding me, you can do it all day long and then some. If you know how to ride, however, you'll only drag it when you are meaning business. I learned late that when you go into the turn, slide and lean to the low side to keep the bike up more. If you lean opposite, like when I didn't know any better, I dragged the Vision boards several times. I don't think it is a cool to push it in anymore, but when I do drag, I'm impressed because it's running hard... ride safe. |
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Bella Vista, AR | It was definitely a real question, and it's not as though the bike hasn't been pushed hard, but not that hard. When I lay mine over, it looks like the boards don't touch til the tipovers do. Again, I wonder if the rear shock pressure has an effect. I'm not looking to drag, just wondering how hard others that are dragging are pushing these big bikes. I agree the handling is awesome, and I can already run off and hide from anybody I ride with, so I'm not likely to be pushing any harder anytime soon. Would still like to find some video of these bikes being pushed that hard though. |
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Rockford, IL | This video should answer all your questions.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQRq0xgrP1g
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Bella Vista, AR | Are there supposed to be feelers on the bottom of the floorboards that touch first? That didn't look like much lean angle before he was dragging. There is nothing on the bottoms of my boards. With the bike on the sidestand, the rearmost part of my left floorboard, and theoretically the part that should drag first, is still 6 3/4" from the ground. I bought my bike as a demo model, and the bottoms of the boards are chrome. Maybe the dealer didn't put the feelers back on, or do they not go on the chrome boards?
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Prairie City, IA United States | Lotzafun - 2013-04-22 3:51 PM
This video should answer all your questions.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQRq0xgrP1g
Sorry to disagree with you on this one. The video shows me nothing but poor riding skills. Let the air out of the shock and counter weight the bike and sure you can drag a board all day. Set up correctly and you can easily do the same slow speed maneuvers without touching a thing. All it takes is some practice. |
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New Bohemia, VA | fish51 - 2013-04-22 5:24 PM Are there supposed to be feelers on the bottom of the floorboards that touch first? That didn't look like much lean angle before he was dragging. There is nothing on the bottoms of my boards. With the bike on the sidestand, the rearmost part of my left floorboard, and theoretically the part that should drag first, is still 6 3/4" from the ground. I bought my bike as a demo model, and the bottoms of the boards are chrome. Maybe the dealer didn't put the feelers back on, or do they not go on the chrome boards? perhaps feelers have been on some bikes, but, the only time I've seen feelers is on a 65 impala low-rider. It's question like this that makes me wonder if you are being serious or yanking a change. I can play, butince my tone in which the way I post can be crass, I'll try to be nicer. I hope you've taken a MSF course. So much you don't seem to be taking into consideration is physics, primarily your weight changes the dynamics from sitting on the kick verses when you're screaming down the highway. My floor boards would always push up first before it would touch the tips. However, with so much uneveness on the roadway, concrete seams and such, I avoid the drag when ever from riding skillfully. Air pressure in the shocks of course changes the height, just as weigth does. I ride hard for me, and like I mentioned before, I did a lot of dragging on my Vision, and still can I did so this morning on an exit ramp that is sharp and short so I pulled it hard to get into the flow of traffic. I was down low and it was laid over pretty low and I just went for it. Traffic is hard and fast through this stretch and a lot of accidents so I like to get the advantage through here. I was probably already doing 55-60 on the curve, and had it over 70 on the straight. I can say I'm not good enough to do what ride like a pro does in a parking lot, but with practise I guess I could be.
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Yes, I could have made these turns without dragging with better body position, but I was trying out the Arizona Vic PD floorboard skidplates. They are 1/4" thick plates that mount to the floorboards so you don't mess your boards up. The Visions can do about a 19' dia donut if you practice.
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Bella Vista, AR | Unless you're just trying to be a complete ass, I think you can agree that most all factory floorboards/pegs come with some sort or nub/feeler that is there to touch down before the board itself starts dragging. I have not taken a MSF course, as I feel the 30+ years I've been riding all manner of dirt/street machines will suffice. I don't have nearly the mileage on the Vision as you do, but am plenty pleased with the bikes handling and my riding. I was simply asking a question, and was simply looking for simple answers, as opposed to your assumptions about my riding experience or intelligence. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I can play, but in my tone in which the way I post can be crass, I'll try to be nicer. I had to say that again because my smart phone played a trick on me in the earlier post. And I'm saying, yes I come across that way. My miles has nothing to do with anything, I'm my own expert and nobody else's, and don't think that I know more than anybody else. I do have a concern, more than I should maybe, or maybe not, the survival of other riders. While your years exceed mine in years owning/riding a motorcycle, it doesn't say you know everything either. I do know this, that even the experts, any given one that has more saddle time than I'll ever have agree on one thing; take a MSF about every 5 years. I'm due one, my last one was about 5 years ago and I could use the reminder. I won't challenge you on anything else and hope you get the answer you are searching for. I never knew there were any kind of "early warning" feelers on any motorcycle, but I guess I learned something, so thank you. I hope we get to ride together some day...
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Bella Vista, AR | No harm done. Your concern for others is evident in other posts I have seen. Look me up if you get over to northwest Arkansas, and I'll show you some of my favorite roads. |
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Jasper, MO | fish51 - 2013-04-22 10:26 PM
No harm done. Your concern for others is evident in other posts I have seen. Look me up if you get over to northwest Arkansas, and I'll show you some of my favorite roads.
Hey Nick!
I've been meaning to get down your way to look at the Redbuds and wild plums. Are they still blooming? It seems like it wants to rain every time I want to ride here lately.
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Bella Vista, AR | Hey Ronnie, things are just starting to bloom good down here. Rode about 150 miles yesterday. I never get tired of that country down around Boxley and Kingston. |
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| Lotzafun - 2013-04-22 3:51 PM
This video should answer all your questions.......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQRq0xgrP1g
You're kidding me.... that bike is either lowered, or has the bash plate on the bottom (which is what you probably actually hear scraping) or both. My bike leans much further over than that before it hit's the tip overs. That's nothing in that clip. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I see it hitting the rear TOP and it looks rather worn down in that last shot. While I need to get comfortable in doing those maneuvers, I don't see the point except the "ahh factor" If it's a Ness it's lowered some, enough to do that. I hope that bike ain't for sell, I wouldn't buy it. |
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Broken Arrow, OK | fish51 - 2013-04-22 10:52 PM
I never get tired of that country down around Boxley and Kingston.
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Prairie City, IA United States | fish51 - 2013-04-22 10:26 PM
No harm done. Your concern for others is evident in other posts I have seen. Look me up if you get over to northwest Arkansas, and I'll show you some of my favorite roads.
We spent the weekend in Eureka Springs and I must say that the area is a great place to ride. The motorcycle only motels are great. If you have never ridden that area I encourage you to make the trip. |
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| Heading to Eureka Springs this weekend!!! Love riding that area.
Speaking of which, isn't there a stretch of road in NW Arkansas that they refer to as the Arkansas Dragons Tail ?
Anyone know where? I think I was on it once a few years ago, but can't remember where now.
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Bella Vista, AR | It's Hwy. 123, just to the east of Jasper. It's an excellent piece of road. Have fun and ride safe. |
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| fish51 - 2013-04-24 6:44 AM
It's Hwy. 123, just to the east of Jasper. It's an excellent piece of road. Have fun and ride safe.
Yes, that's it! Thank you!
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orrick, mo | 74 off of 123 is pretty good also. 341 by Mountain home (Push Mountain Road) is excellent also. I have some pic's of me on 341 a couple of years ago in the gallery and you can see the floor board rubbing going around a corner. Lot of fun!!
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Central Illinois | There is a road called the Pig Trail in NW Arkansas. It is well worth the trip if you are nearby. |
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| I have a car tire on my vision so it's impossible to scrape |
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| Oldman47 - 2013-04-24 12:26 PM
There is a road called the Pig Trail in NW Arkansas. It is well worth the trip if you are nearby.
Been there, done that, a bunch. It's no longer fun since they widened it a few years back. Not to mention, it's only about 3 miles of actual tight curves.
As for the issue of dragging tip overs, I guess I'm going to have to knock mine over on it's side and take a pic. My guess is that it's about an 75-80 degree lean when it's on those tip overs. My highway pegs and floor boards would touch WELL before the tip overs ever would. As a matter of fact, I can drag the corners of my skid plate at will, but again, that's LONNGGGGGG before the tipovers would.
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Republic of Texas | Nozzledog - 2013-04-22 7:41 PM
Yes, I could have made these turns without dragging with better body position, but I was trying out the Arizona Vic PD floorboard skidplates. They are 1/4" thick plates that mount to the floorboards so you don't mess your boards up. The Visions can do about a 19' dia donut if you practice.
The floorboards do hit a few degrees before the front tipovers. When they hit, it suddenly goes from Fun-n-Games to Better-Watch-What-You're-Doing!
Nozzledog,
How did you light up the exhaust tips?
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Westchester Co., NY | When he popped up over the curve I didn't see a bash plate. Not saying I definitly would have seen one but I thought I would have been able to. |
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Orlando, FL | SOme people scrape thru the turns, even when the bike is set up properly and ridden well. And some of us are skinny suckers. But there's not need to try and convince people who don't want to be convinced. They need to learn to ride hard in the turns and do it themselves. Some of us just ride HARD! REALLY FREAKING HARD!! Nuff said. |
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Central Illinois | Although Turk says the Pig trail is nothing much lately, I found it far more challenging than the videos I have seen of the Tail of the Dragon, which seemed to be mostly wide sweepers, not hairpin turns. Heck even typical switchbacks in the Sierra Nevada seem tighter than anything I saw on videos of the Tail of the Dragon. By comparison to my earlier experience with those roads in the Sierra Nevada in a small car, the Tail of the Dragon looks downright tame to me.
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flagstaff, AZ | jeffmack - 2013-04-24 11:44 AM
I have a car tire on my vision so it's impossible to scrape
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New Bohemia, VA | Oldman47 - 2013-04-24 7:54 PM Although Turk says the Pig trail is nothing much lately, I found it far more challenging than the videos I have seen of the Tail of the Dragon, which seemed to be mostly wide sweepers, not hairpin turns. Heck even typical switchbacks in the Sierra Nevada seem tighter than anything I saw on videos of the Tail of the Dragon. By comparison to my earlier experience with those roads in the Sierra Nevada in a small car, the Tail of the Dragon looks downright tame to me. Just saying. I rode the Sierra Nevada, and roads in Southwest Virginia, and the Dragon is no more than a tourist attraction for bikers and sports car so you can get your picture taken. The Sierra Nevada is some serious riding, between the drop-offs and keeping an eye out for big creatures, the mind races faster than the bike. Had breakfast in Kernville, and then went around the East side up to Nevada. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | Set your bike on the tipovers and you will see the floorboards hit much sooner than they do. The suspension compresses under the centrifigul force of a 900 lb mass traveling in a circle making the scrape angle less. Worn tires will also make the scrape angle less. Add these factors together and it is not difficult to scrape the tipovers and is actually easy to scrape the floorboards. Especially on a lowered Ness. Mine is not lowered in any way and I have scraped 3 times. I have the same scars on my tipovers as the previous pic. I never mean to scrape. When it did happen I took it as a warning that I was going too fast, so I slowed down. I do not plan on scraping again, but I know it will happen. Doesn't seem to hurt anything. Just wouldn't want to catch a pothole.
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Jasper, MO | Oldman47 - 2013-04-24 6:54 PM
Although Turk says the Pig trail is nothing much lately, I found it far more challenging than the videos I have seen of the Tail of the Dragon, which seemed to be mostly wide sweepers, not hairpin turns. Heck even typical switchbacks in the Sierra Nevada seem tighter than anything I saw on videos of the Tail of the Dragon. By comparison to my earlier experience with those roads in the Sierra Nevada in a small car, the Tail of the Dragon looks downright tame to me.
Just saying.
It is tame if you're used to riding some real mountain roads. I found it to be highly over rated. There are far more challenging roads in Missouri and Arkansas than what Deals Gap offers, not to mention the Rocky Mountains. The Tail of The Dragon's only claim to fame is the 318 easy sweepers in just 11 miles, and they don't even offer much elevation change. Big deal. I can take you on some Arkansas roads that will have you dragging in corners at 15 MPH in 1st or 2nd gear as the road switches back and climbs at the same time. The pavement has grooves in it from long vehicles dragging as they go around the corner/make the climb.
If it weren't for the maniacs coming around the curve from the other direction and in your lane, pretending they are on a racetrack instead of a State highway, Deal's Gap would be boring. Those maniacs coming the other way on Deal's Gap can make the ride "interesting". 
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Bella Vista, AR | I'm headed to the Deals Gap area in June. Mostly just want to ride the Smokies(never been there), but will ride the Dragon while I'm out there. Ronnie, I know you're talking about that stretch of 123 by Mount Judea with those nasty little curves. I think that's probably some of the funnest few minutes a person can have on a bike. I'd like to find a road just like that one that goes on for miles.
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| MaddMAx2u - 2013-04-24 6:50 PM
SOme people scrape thru the turns, even when the bike is set up properly and ridden well. And some of us are skinny suckers. But there's not need to try and convince people who don't want to be convinced. They need to learn to ride hard in the turns and do it themselves. Some of us just ride HARD! REALLY FREAKING HARD!! Nuff said.
Oh, I do scrape my "jb.hatch" hwy pegs, as well as my floorboards and Ness bash plate.... but I'm gonna say NO to scraping the tip overs. I can see it happening on a lowered bike, whether intentionally lowered or with an improperly inflated air shock... but again... drop your bikes over on their sides and sit on it... then tell me you lean that far over while riding. We're talking 75 degree lean angle on the tip overs! Touching tips at that lean angle, and you're gonna lift the bike and low side.
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Brighton, TN | This bike won't low side by just touching the tipovers, as in the video in slow mode, dude is scraping all the metal off of those tip overs. I'm unsure why Turk has this great amount of disbelief that the bike is still stable while scraping the tipovers, or that IT CAN BE DONE AT ALL. Yes it is an extreme lean for a big bike, SO! If the tires maintain contact and I don't go scrambling across the pavement, I consider the lean to be safe, and yes, as posted earlier in the MSF course, I did it a lot. The isntructor even commented that he thought I was traveling with more speed and lean angle through the course than he rides with his FJR. He was quite impressed. Funny, considering he was mocking me at showing up on a big tour bike to take the course. I have a couple of pics from the dragon but not a good pic of the tips touching. I know I had some of the MSF course the instructor was taking pics, don't know what I did with it. Coming into the parking lot every morning, I have to do a 180 and a couple of 90 degree turns before I get to my parking spot and I do it in 2nd gear with decent speed and routinely am scraping metal. The bike leans and does it well. |
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Jasper, MO | fish51 - 2013-04-25 1:22 AM
I'm headed to the Deals Gap area in June. Mostly just want to ride the Smokies(never been there), but will ride the Dragon while I'm out there. Ronnie, I know you're talking about that stretch of 123 by Mount Judea with those nasty little curves. I think that's probably some of the funnest few minutes a person can have on a bike. I'd like to find a road just like that one that goes on for miles.
The Smokies are awesome. I love 'em. It's really pretty in the Fall. We don't get colors that vibrant in the Ozarks. If you can, ride Deal's Gap during the week. The maniacs are there on the weekends. I've ridden it on a Friday and it wasn't very crowded. On the weekends, all the boy racers are out. There are lots of great roads in that area, and some of them are more entertaining than the "Dragon". You can pick up area maps at any motel around there.
Have you been up on Mt. Nebo at Dardenell (across the river from Russellville)? The start of that road intimidates the flatlanders and the view from the top is great. Often, there will be hanggliders launching from there. How about the side road coming down off of Rich Mountain at Mena? You can scare yourself pretty good on either one if you get too frisky.
This is Deal's Gap in the Fall
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| pollolittle - 2013-04-25 8:47 AM
This bike won't low side by just touching the tipovers, as in the video in slow mode, dude is scraping all the metal off of those tip overs. I'm unsure why Turk has this great amount of disbelief that the bike is still stable while scraping the tipovers, or that IT CAN BE DONE AT ALL. Yes it is an extreme lean for a big bike, SO! If the tires maintain contact and I don't go scrambling across the pavement, I consider the lean to be safe, and yes, as posted earlier in the MSF course, I did it a lot. The isntructor even commented that he thought I was traveling with more speed and lean angle through the course than he rides with his FJR. He was quite impressed. Funny, considering he was mocking me at showing up on a big tour bike to take the course. I have a couple of pics from the dragon but not a good pic of the tips touching. I know I had some of the MSF course the instructor was taking pics, don't know what I did with it. Coming into the parking lot every morning, I have to do a 180 and a couple of 90 degree turns before I get to my parking spot and I do it in 2nd gear with decent speed and routinely am scraping metal. The bike leans and does it well.
I saw that video, he wasn't leaned over more than 45 degrees, at most! My tips don't touch until like 75 degrees. That's my point. Go throw your Vision over on it's side (until it is resting on the tip overs) tell me how far that is. Mine just barely has the fairing a few inches off of the ground. So either my bike is unique and and the tip overs don't stick out as far, or my bike just plain sits higher off of the ground than others do. Actually... now that I think about it, I must have a one-off, prototype Vision, cuz no one else has the built in trailer wiring pigtail that mine does either....
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Brighton, TN | I don't know how far over that is, but I know it is a long way. I also can sit on the bike in that position and it will not continue to go over any further. I have metal that has been removed from both tipovers front and rear, hwy peg, floorboard, and exhaust tip. Maybe there is some give in the body that comes to rest after it stops on the tipovers.
I agree the front fairing is a very close to the ground and so is the exhaust tip. I don't know how I would have removed material from all those locations without getting very close to the ground. I may have to get a guy to video me laying my bike on its side to see what hits first, etc. Or just video me making a circle.
I like your point of being very low to the ground, but I have no way to explain where all the metal went either. Things that make you go hmmmm. |
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Brighton, TN | Turk - look under the front cowling and see if you have the cut powered antenna stuck to the cowling. I did, where was that pigtail? |
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Bella Vista, AR | rdbudd - 2013-04-25 10:27 AM
The Smokies are awesome. I love 'em. It's really pretty in the Fall. We don't get colors that vibrant in the Ozarks. If you can, ride Deal's Gap during the week. The maniacs are there on the weekends. I've ridden it on a Friday and it wasn't very crowded. On the weekends, all the boy racers are out. There are lots of great roads in that area, and some of them are more entertaining than the "Dragon". You can pick up area maps at any motel around there.
Have you been up on Mt. Nebo at Dardenell (across the river from Russellville)? The start of that road intimidates the flatlanders and the view from the top is great. Often, there will be hanggliders launching from there. How about the side road coming down off of Rich Mountain at Mena? You can scare yourself pretty good on either one if you get too frisky.
Ronnie
I intend to hit the Deals area on a Wednesday afternoon, then spend Thursday riding the area. I've been up Mt. Magazine a couple times, but haven't been to Nebo yet. It's on my list though, and will hopefully happen soon. |
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Jasper, MO | fish51 - 2013-04-25 8:55 PM
I intend to hit the Deals area on a Wednesday afternoon, then spend Thursday riding the area. I've been up Mt. Magazine a couple times, but haven't been to Nebo yet. It's on my list though, and will hopefully happen soon.
Good plan. You'll enjoy the Smokies. Be sure to go up into the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Check out the Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest. It's the only part of the Smokies that has never been cut for lumber and there's some big trees in there. http://main.nc.us/graham/hiking/joycekil.html
You'll also enjoy Mt Nebo in Arkansas. Have you ever ridden the Talimena National Scenic Byway? http://www.talimenascenicdrive.com/ The lodge is closed for renovation until this Fall, but it's a great place to ride to and eat (or stay) when it's open. You can go right down I540 to Highway 71 to Mena, which is the fastest way to get there from Bella Vista, but it's more fun to go over to Eureka Springs and go all the way down the Pig Trail to 71.
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The old 71 highway over the Boston Mountains is still a pretty ride too, and another great ride from Bella Vista to Mena. Get on it around West Fork and follow it all the way down to Mena.
We'll often take the scenic routes down and then superslab it back home at the end of the day.
One of our favorite weekend rides is to go down to Mt. Nebo, then run over to Mena and stay the night, riding the area the next day and then back home. It's about a 500 to 600 mile weekend for us, with lots of stops to smell the roses.
Sometimes, we drag the Vision 
Ronnie
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Bella Vista, AR | I like Talimena. A buddy and I took off on sport bikes years ago and rode down OK 59 to Talihena, across Talimena to Mena, and then east to Mt. Magazine. After riding Magazine, we brought Hwy. 23 back up into Fayetteville. That was a great ride, but a really long day on those crotch rockets. |
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| If your running to dragon, make sure you get in the Cherahola skyway. Everyone I have taken there thought it blows away the dragon, the dragon is a PR success. 30 of the cherahola's 44 miles are on reservation land, no cops..... Rip it up!
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| jeffmack - 2013-04-26 10:03 AM
If your running to dragon, make sure you get in the Cherahola skyway. Everyone I have taken there thought it blows away the dragon, the dragon is a PR success. 30 of the cherahola's 44 miles are on reservation land, no cops..... Rip it up!
Enjoy
You didnt drag a floorboard did you? It seems as though that is mathematically impossible, according to this thread.... Right?
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Bullhead City, AZ | You're kidding me.... that bike is either lowered, or has the bash plate on the bottom (which is what you probably actually hear scraping) or both. My bike leans much further over than that before it hit's the tip overs. That's nothing in that clip.
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I have seen Bill (the rider in the video ) do this with a Vision right off the demo truck in Laughlin made about 3 circles on each board stopped the bike and just let it drop. Nothing draws a crowd like the sound of a Vision hitting the tipovers. |
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Bullhead City, AZ | I have seen Bill ,the guy is the video, do circle after circle on both sides with a demo bike off the truck. Made marks in the Laughlin Riverside parking lot that looked like a figure 8. I have heard Bill called lots of things but never a poor rider. He can ride the hell out a Vision and if you wanted he could do the same with yours. Does it look lowered when he goes over the sidewalk. I scrape 1-2 x a week on the same corner coming home, I even lift my foot off the board just before I think it is going to hit and according to some posters my VV shouldn't corner as well because I run a car tire. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | loren2 - 2013-04-30 12:45 AM
You're kidding me.... that bike is either lowered, or has the bash plate on the bottom (which is what you probably actually hear scraping) or both.
Bash plate does not drag, even on a 1" lowered bike. It's more for speed bumps and rocks. |
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Iron Butt
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| loren2 - 2013-04-30 2:45 AM
I have seen Bill (the rider in the video ) do this with a Vision right off the demo truck in Laughlin made about 3 circles on each board stopped the bike and just let it drop. Nothing draws a crowd like the sound of a Vision hitting the tipovers.
First of all, no one said he was a bad driver by any stretch.... I went back and looked. What was said was that he wasn't dragging the tip overs at a 45 degree lean. They don't touch that early, mine certainly don't anyway. You basically acknowledge and agree with me when you say that he goes in circles then just lets it drop over on the tip overs. Clearly, if he's scraping something, and can still let it drop further over onto the tip overs, then whatever was scraping just before that, couldn't have possibly been the tips.
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| Nozzledog - 2013-05-06 12:17 AM
loren2 - 2013-04-30 12:45 AM
You're kidding me.... that bike is either lowered, or has the bash plate on the bottom (which is what you probably actually hear scraping) or both.
Bash plate does not drag, even on a 1" lowered bike. It's more for speed bumps and rocks.
It can doing parking lots maneuvers. I'll have to take a pic of mine for you. And no, my bike is NOT lowered.
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