|
|
Cruiser
Posts: 251
Mechanicsville, VA United States | I installed the ATW this week and well to say the least it sounds something like this: Holly Cow....WOW!!!
If you want something to wake your bike up this is the tool to do it.....the EPA has completely de-tuned our bike bikes power but Lloyd as turned it back on and I mean it's shocking!
I'm almost affraid I'm going to break my belt if I don't stop hammering the throttle to feel the motor respond and it's right now and it's hard pulling all the way.
Advance the ATW +4 degs. put the clover back on and ride, it was so easy to do and it's the cheapest power mod. you will ever do and feel the difference right now!
On a scale of 1 to 10 it's a full 10! |
|
| |
|
Tourer
Posts: 499
Chattanooga, TN | Thinking about that for a while. What other mods have you done to your bike to enhance performance?
|
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 251
Mechanicsville, VA United States | Oh, I have the VM1 cams and top air filter and the PCV/AT and the AIV and the 1/4 turn throttle ring..........stage 1 level 2 exhaust.
Lloyd says the ATW work on all stock or mod-ed bikes 08 and up! |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 612
| diamonbird - 2013-04-17 8:37 PM
Oh, I have the VM1 cams and top air filter and the PCV/AT and the AIV and the 1/4 turn throttle ring..........stage 1 level 2 exhaust.
Lloyd says the ATW work on all stock or mod-ed bikes 08 and up!
What is the AIV?
Lloydz' Vision products, to my knowledge, include the Idle Air Valve (IAV), Adjustable Intake System (AIS), and Adjustable Timing System (ATS). Curious which one of those you may be referring to?
Thanks,
Edited by Turk 2013-04-18 6:58 AM
|
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 1109
| I've been thinking about it, I'm wondering how much of a difference it makes without the cams.
Edited by kris1956 2013-04-18 7:12 AM
|
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 251
Mechanicsville, VA United States | Com'on Turk, can't I miss spell anything without being called out!!lol It is the (IAV) not the (AIV)!
kris1956, I would think it does as it allows increases to the timing which is retarded enough to reduce the motors response to the throttle and potential power that is available. BTW the cams mostly move where the torque is in the RPM range. |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 1109
| I would think so too, just wondering if anyone had tried. |
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 244
| I'm sure it will help! We used to do it to cars all the time (by rotating the distrbutor or widening the point gap) till they they went to Elctronics and you couldn't. It would reall made them come alive! |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 1109
| Actually you can still do it on cars, it's just a bit more complicated now. |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 802
| I've been thinking about doing this as well but I'm also worried about pinging. The last time I advanced the timing 3 degrees on my '11 it started pinging when pulling a hill so I put it back to stock. For those of you that are running the ATW with advanced timing, are you noticing any pinging at all? What's the air temperature been in your area? Pinging seems to rear its ugly head the hotter it gets.
Marc |
|
| |
|
Tourer
Posts: 308
Vineland, NJ United States | Diamondbird: How hard is installation? Can you do it yourself or should a Vic mechanic do it? ED |
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 251
Mechanicsville, VA United States | ED,Well this depends on your ability to turn wrenches, it didn't take me but maybe 30 mins. and the next one shouldn't take but maybe 15 mins.......
on a scale of 1 to 5 it's maybe a 1.5 but if you've never been in a Vic motor then you should call someone who has been there! I'm sure Lloyd will help you since you'll be buying from him and get the replacment gasket from him too as you're going to need a new gasket anyway! Go to Lloydz.com to order them!
Step 1 after you get the ATW, remove right side floor board or just remove the rear bolt and loosen the front bolt and let the rear of floor board drop down and out of the way of the Cam chain cover so you can get to the bolts holding the cover on.
Step 2 Remove cam chain cover, put a clean paper towel or a clean rag in the hole under the Crank/cam gear to keep trash/tools ect.ect. out of the crank case...do the same thing to the oil dipstick hole. Becareful not to damage the wire to the pickup in the cover, you don't need to do nothing to the pickup just let hang or support it in some way.
Step 3. Remove the the 13mm/1/2" bolt in the middle of the timing wheel....I used an impact other wise you will need to put a stop pin of some kind in the hole that used for locking the crank from tuning....the impact zipped it right out, now remove the old timing wheel and install the ATW and adjust the ATW clockwire for + or counter clockwise for - but I don't think you will be going - so put it to +4 degs. I used loctite Red on the center bolt and Blue loctite on the adjustment bolts(2).
Step 4. Clean off the old gasket, remove the towel or rag and install the new gasket and put the cover back on"do not over tighten the cover bolts, you can ring them off!
Step 5. Put floor boards back together, reinstall dipstick, crank bike up and go for a shockingly new ride! |
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 251
Mechanicsville, VA United States | I'm going to add a picture as soon as I can resize my picture of the +4 degs. setting!
Well it looks like I need some help posting a picture or at least resizing it, I lowered it to 100 and you can't make out the picture.
Okay I got it, align the two marks with the black marks beside them, tighten down one side(1 bolt) and remove the other one and put blue loctite on it and put it back in and tighten it down"do not over tighten it as you will ring it off", now remove the other bolt and do the same thing, while doing this make sure you have the holes under the ATW in the crank case blocked off with a paper towel or rag!
Good luck!
Edited by diamonbird 2013-04-18 6:21 PM
(2013-04-15 15.50.02 (300x225).jpg)
Attachments
----------------
 2013-04-15 15.50.02 (300x225).jpg (73KB - 41 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
Tourer
Posts: 308
Vineland, NJ United States | I really appreciate you taking the time to do that. I'm going to give it a try. thanks ED |
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 251
Mechanicsville, VA United States | edsasdelli, I see you're pulling a trailer, you're going to love the ATW, It's going to feel like it's empty!!(the trailer) |
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 135
Chesterfield, VA | OK Don, you convinced me. I placed my order for the ATW yesterday. I understand it increases the torque below 2,500 RPMs (the range the VM1 cams don't really wake up), but what I'm really hoping for is that it will help roll on power in the low RPM range. For instance...if you slow down for traffic (say 2,000 RPMs in 4th gear) can you now roll on the power for passing without downsifting or lugging the engine. I guess I will find out soon. And Don one other thing, I take it you recommend advancing the timing by 2 dgrees above 2,500 RPMs for all throttle positions on the PCV - correct?? |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 2300
Georgia, west of Atlanta | Sounds good....... Would work very nice with the new VM1-HP cam too I bet..............Hmmm............ |
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 251
Mechanicsville, VA United States | Guys this is the one most change/gain in performance I've felt on my bike......get it set it at +4 degs and ride it until the wheels fall off!
The power is there all the way to the end of the rpm range!
I'm telling you, you will be hammering the throttle in amazement....I was doing it over and over again in total unbelief...you'll see!
Don't worry about adding timing above 2500rpms, that's something you can play with if you ever get bored! I set my PCV at "0" across the board for now! |
|
| |
|
Tourer
Posts: 308
Vineland, NJ United States | Diamonbird: I got my timing wheel in mail but have not started job yet. I was looking at the wheel and your pic that you posted with this description: "align the two marks with the black marks beside them, tighten down one side(1 bolt) and remove the other one and put blue loctite on it and put it back in and tighten it down"do not over tighten it as you will ring it off", now remove the other bolt and do the same thing" Where are the "black" marks you are referring to? |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK | Look at his pic. The small magic marker marks. The inner wheels' 4th (+) dash is aligned with the outer wheels' 4th dash as show by his 2 small black marks.
Here's another pic showing the marks in "red". This is +4 degrees
(Lloydz Adj timing wheel +4 degrees (Small).jpg)
Attachments
----------------
Lloydz Adj timing wheel +4 degrees (Small).jpg (71KB - 24 downloads)
|
|
| |
|
Tourer
Posts: 308
Vineland, NJ United States | got it! Thanks ED |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 802
| What a pleasant surprise, it actually works and you CAN feel it! It doesn't add a whole lot of power but to me the throttle feels sharper with quite a bit more urge particularly over 3000 or so. It only took 15 minutes to install most of which was spent scrapping the old gasket off. You get a lot of bang for not much bucks.
Marc |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 623
| Any dyno numbers? Before and after? Thanks |
|
| |
|
Tourer
Posts: 308
Vineland, NJ United States | got mine installed yesterday, no problem, hardest part was whole wheel wanted to rotate when I tried to unscrew the center 13mm bolt. |
|
| |
|
Tourer
Posts: 499
Chattanooga, TN | Question, if the cam timing is advanced, does that mean it is adding fuel sooner in the combustion cycle? |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 802
| baadawg - 2013-04-28 2:23 PM
Question, if the cam timing is advanced, does that mean it is adding fuel sooner in the combustion cycle?It doesn't mess with the cam timing. It makes the ignition and f/i timing adjustable. The ignition change is what makes the difference. Just got to watch out for pinging in the summer on a hill under load. I asked Lloyd about pinging and he said no problems have surfaced. Probably best to run premium gas particularly if you have his cams installed.
Marc |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 612
| baadawg - 2013-04-28 4:23 PM
Question, if the cam timing is advanced, does that mean it is adding fuel sooner in the combustion cycle?
Yes and no. The timing wheel advances the ignition process, which is fuel, and spark. It doesn't change cam timing.
Edited by Turk 2013-04-29 7:45 AM
|
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 244
| Turk - 2013-04-29 8:44 AM baadawg - 2013-04-28 4:23 PM Question, if the cam timing is advanced, does that mean it is adding fuel sooner in the combustion cycle? Yes and no. The timing wheel advances the ignition process, which is fuel, and spark. It doesn't change cam timing. I'd love to see one of the exsperts comment on that. Not insulting anyone. I just jumped to the conclusion it was only changing the spark timing. |
|
| |
|
Iron Butt
Posts: 802
| Kevinx did when we first started discussing this. You'd have to do a search.
I found it. Here is his quote:
"The gear is not a gear. It is a reluctor wheel. The crank sensor looks at it to determine where TDC is. By adding this part you can trick the ECM into firing the plugs, AND injectors; up to four degrees early or late. It is the perfect compliment to a cammed Vic"
Marc
Edited by marcparnes 2013-04-29 9:52 AM
|
|
| |
|
Cruiser
Posts: 244
| Marc: Thank"s. I should have realized in this modern electron fuel injector system something had to tell the injectors when to fire. |
|
| |
|
Puddle Jumper
Posts: 32
Galesburg, IL | I added the ATW to my 2010 Sunday. Definitely feels like it pulls harder to me. The other "mods" I have done is the secondary air intake filter from Lloydz and disconnected the O2 sensors. Saturday (before the ATW add) my bike was on the Dyno at The Vic Shop during Rylan's open house. It showed 86 HP and 102 ft lbs of torque. According to Rylan, it is where it should be for what I've done. My bike has almost 21K on it and is running really rich...filled his bay with the black smoke!
Next up and probably last up is the Power Commander V and Dyno tuning by Rylan. |
|
| |
|
Visionary
Posts: 1632
Jasper, MO | michaelcl1970 - 2013-05-13 4:48 PM
I added the ATW to my 2010 Sunday. Definitely feels like it pulls harder to me. The other "mods" I have done is the secondary air intake filter from Lloydz and disconnected the O2 sensors. Saturday (before the ATW add) my bike was on the Dyno at The Vic Shop during Rylan's open house. It showed 86 HP and 102 ft lbs of torque. According to Rylan, it is where it should be for what I've done. My bike has almost 21K on it and is running really rich...filled his bay with the black smoke!
Next up and probably last up is the Power Commander V and Dyno tuning by Rylan.
Just have Rylan add the cams while you're there. You'll already have everything else you need to feed the hidden extra 20 to 25 horsepower that the stock cams will be costing you. When you get the PCV, have Rylan increase the rev-limit to 6500 RPM to go with the cams.
Ronnie |
|
| |