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Puddle Jumper
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Galesburg, IL | I've added the Lloydz secondary intake filter and have the O2 sensors disconnected on my 2010 Vision, everything else is stock. Recently, the bike seems to "sputter" when it is idling before I leave on the ride and it sometimes takes 2-3 times for it to start. Also, when I pulled in the clutch coasting to the first light last night, the bike died on me.
Is this due to the bike running "lean"? If so, what would be the next steps to correct this? I love the performance difference these changes have made.
Suggestions please? |
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Cruiser
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Rhode Island | Are you blipping the throttle? |
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Puddle Jumper
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Galesburg, IL | Forgive my ignorance, but I don't know what that means. If you are asking if I do the "I have a throttle problem, revving at every stop, Harley-thing" then no, I do not.
I've only had one ride of 150 miles to get an idea of what kind of gas mileage I'm getting since the addition of the Lloydz filter. It is probably not very accurate since I'm still "enjoying" the new found power and it included a run up to 110 to if I've gained any top end power, but I was at 35.5 MPG. I typically have seen right at 40 MPG. |
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Cruiser
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | Switch brands of fuel! I used to had popping, and back firing, also the stalling with off throttle/clutch pullled. I religously used only one brand, once I was out and had no choice and was on fumes...............filled up and popping stopped first up shift.
Just sayin!!!! |
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Visionary
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Central Maryland | I like Shell gasoline. |
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Cruiser
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Mechanicsville, VA United States | If you didn't add Fuel for the added Air your problem will always be there. EPA makes sure your bike is already running lean and you've added more Air to an already lean condition..............you need a new map or a fuel controller to correct the problem. |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm totally stock and have lived with the stall condition since I rolled it off the show room. In the early days it went through umpteen maps and never corrected it except when I got rid of an exhaust leak at the header. And then it would still stall when it got hot in stop and go traffic. But, I agree with Don, remap to your current set-up. As far as the stalling goes, you might need to learn to quickly refire the engine while in flight. |
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Iron Butt
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Broken Arrow, OK | Mike, I would contact a Vic guy, Rylan Voss or Lloyd Greer. Explain what you've done and what is happening. |
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Tourer
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Chattanooga, TN | An IAC Valve from Lloydz is what is used to correct a lean condition at idle. I have no idea if that is what is happening, but if you were to find out that it is, then you can check into adding one. Otherwise, +1 to what okie said |
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Cruiser
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| Did you try riding it with the O2 sensors plugged in? Not sure if you need to unplug them when you run the top filter? I know if you are using a fuel controller then you would, but stock map with the upper not sure. |
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Puddle Jumper
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Galesburg, IL | Thank you all for your input. It must have been bad gas because I haven't had the problem since I put a new tankful in. I rode this weekend and figured my gas mileage to be about 4-5 MPG less than before adding the secondary air intake filter. Also, gas mileage when running 75-85 MPH is not very good...go figure.
On another note, I turned over 19,000 miles today. Not too bad for a weekend rider. |
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Iron Butt
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| michaelcl1970 - 2013-04-21 6:46 PM
Thank you all for your input. It must have been bad gas because I haven't had the problem since I put a new tankful in. I rode this weekend and figured my gas mileage to be about 4-5 MPG less than before adding the secondary air intake filter. Also, gas mileage when running 75-85 MPH is not very good...go figure.
On another note, I turned over 19,000 miles today. Not too bad for a weekend rider.
As for decreased gas mileage :
1. Check your air pressure, COLD, before you pull it out of the garage!
2. Vehicles will always get worse mileage in cooler temps than in warmer temps. Isn't it still pretty chilly there?
3. More air in equals more fuel equals more giddy up! |
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Puddle Jumper
Posts: 32
Galesburg, IL | Turk: Air pressure was set to 38 front, 40 rear. It was about 45-55 degrees when I checked it. This coming weekend I'll be checking it again in about 65-70 degrees...and probably riding a bit slower.
I am definitely a believer in the more air in equals more fuel equals more giddy up! I won't be removing the secondary intake filter...love the sound and the performance!
Thanks! |
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Cruiser
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Willmar, MN | How did you disconnect the o2 sensors? The only way that I see is to just cut the wire. |
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | rf43mn - 2013-05-08 12:19 PM
How did you disconnect the o2 sensors? The only way that I see is to just cut the wire.
Follow the wire from the sensor and you'll find an inline connector.
Ronnie |
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Cruiser
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Willmar, MN | Thanks, I'll track it down. I looked a little but just had my knee rebuilt and can't get a real good angle. |
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Visionary
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Jasper, MO | There isn't a "real good angle". A pair of really long needle nose pliers, and a long screwdriver will come in handy.
Ronnie |
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Visionary
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Central Maryland | If you remove the left side cover, it is very easy to find the rear cylinder's O2 connection:
I did find it easier to remove the battery box cover to trace and find the O2 sensor connector on the front cylinder as well. |
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Running lean?