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| I'm sure this could be a very controversial subject, but here goes. In sc [where i live] there is n't a helmet law. I have recently went to a harley shop with a friend to pick up his bike, and they were having a bash of some sort. what got me is out of 100 to 150 bikers, going in and out, I seen maybe 3 or 4 riders wearing helmets. pretty typical here in sc. I havnt really been to a victory rally, so are victory riders as hard headed as harley riders? I'm thinking victory riders are a bit more 'safety minded' |
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Manchester, CT | Hey Banjodan
In CT, helmets are optional but I prefer to take any and all safety advantages I can! That's why my new VV has Clearwater leds (over 2000 lumens each) that work both on low and high beam and the screaming banshee airhorn (also flashes the light simultaneously). |
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Jasper, MO | From what I've observed, both Victory riders and Harley riders go helmetless where it's legal and wear a helmet where it's required. I live in the corner of a helmet required State that is bordered by three States that do not require helmets. I've seen riders of both brands stopping at the State line to either don or remove helmets as legality allows.
Personally, having experienced close and intimate encounters with the pavement a couple of times over the years, I choose to wear a helmet everywhere most of the time, even where it is legal to go without, which is a change from my position on the matter in my younger days. I do not support mandatory helmet laws though. I still think it should be a free choice.
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| that's cool,street eagle! I''ll bet you can't sleep nights waiting to ride that new vv. got any miles on it yet? |
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Peru, IN | It should be the riders choice, however, I won't leave my driveway without a lid on. |
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Danbury, Connecticut | In my opinion, if you are over 21, have health and disability insurance, you should be able to make that choice for yourself. I personally hated wearing a helmet until a few years ago but started more for the intercom function and music and now I wear one most of the time and have gotten used to it. Once in a while it makes my scalp itchy/creepy crawly- that's the part I hate. |
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Manchester, CT | The new baby arrives at the house on Saturday. If everything aligns my seat will be back from CA THANKS to my good friend Marc Parnes! Excited?!!!! If u look up the word in the dictionary you will find my picture  |
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Dallas, Texas | Personally, I rarely wear a helmet of any kind. I have a half helmet that I carry in the trunk, just in case I get a wild hair. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | OK - I have gone thru this several times. I started riding with no laws, then lived thru the first laws.
True Story: When 'helmet laws' were introduced in British Columbia - I did a STUDY. I discovered that more people died falling out of bed, then died from head injuries in Motorcycle Accidents. For real !!!
So I proposed that the Government legislate a mandatory HELMET LAW that would demand that people put on a helmet before getting out of bed in the morning. Made sense to me !!!
Well - you know how far that would go ....
I lived and rode in Orlando, Florida for 5 years from 1997 to 2002. The Florida Helmet Law was repealed in 2000 or so - so I drove a couple of years down there without a helmet. The only good thing I can say about a helmet is that it keeps your head warm in cold weather.
I would rather die from a head injury, than be a cripple with a broken back whose life was saved by his helmet. This has been MY argument since the first law was introduced in BC back in the 70's. And believe me - there are MANY cripples around who should have died. Sad - but a fact of life.
If I was a 'racer' - I would use EVERY safety device that was available to me. But I'm not - and should be allowed a choice.
IMHO ... (right, like I'M humble <grin>
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Central Maryland | I have always worn a helmet. Would feel naked without one. I like the protection. |
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Spirit Lake IA "Birthplace of Victory Motorcycles" | I always wear a hemet, but I believe that states should not legislate this. My wife and I were in a car / motorcycle accident 2 years ago where the car failed to yield. I would have lost my left ear and a good part of the back of my head if I were not wearing my helmet. Personal choice? Yes. I do value my life over that of any initial discomfort in wearing a helmet. My kids and grandchild also appreciate my choice to wear a helmet. |
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| Sometimes I do.... sometimes I don't. It depends on the weather, where I'm going and who I am riding with that day. |
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| I,ve had two minor bump ups, of which were not my fault. once i was rear-ended at a traffic circle, and once by another mc. my helmet has scars instead of my head. just a few bruises otherwise. |
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Redcliffe, Queensland, Australia. | I believe "Helmet Laws" suck. It should be riders choice but, should they choose to ride without a helmet they must have Health Insurance cover (in respects to head wounds whilst riding). |
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| I live in Texas and the helmet laws flip flop every 15-20 years. Currently it's not required. For the most part I wear a helmet but I believe it should be up to the rider providing they have health insurance. As a side note my family's happy that I wear one, especially my son. |
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Belding Michigan | I have lived where it was required and where it is not. I live in Michigan now and Abate was successful in getting the law repealed. I have only had one accident in 41 years of riding but based on the damage to my helmet the time I went down I would have had 37 less years of life and riding had I not had it on. I will wear it and don't mind me riding like everyone is out to get me because the one time I was sure I was good they got me. Archie |
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Conneaut, OH | Sometimes I wear one sometimes I don't but if I do wear one it is full face what good is surviving if your face is ripped off |
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Prairie City, IA United States | I am a firm believer in a riders right to choose. I choose ATGATT and probably look like a power ranger on the bike. My wife went down and end over ended her bike 2 years ago and she walked away with a small abrasion on her shin. The helmet and her jacket were scraped up pretty good. Without the helmet I would have been a widower. |
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Prairie City, IA United States | SteveS - 2013-04-11 10:25 PM
In my opinion, if you are over 21, have health and disability insurance, you should be able to make that choice for yourself. I personally hated wearing a helmet until a few years ago but started more for the intercom function and music and now I wear one most of the time and have gotten used to it. Once in a while it makes my scalp itchy/creepy crawly- that's the part I hate.
Itchy head can be fixed. Wear a nylon or polyester beany under the helmet helps a lot. Most cheap helmets do not have good airflow and cause you to sweat easily giving you "monkey head". A good cheap helmet with planty of airflow is the Gmax line of full face helmets. I owned one for a couple of years and it did well in hot weather. |
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| Anyone responsible adult that rides without a helmet is nuts!! Same goes for those who do not fasten seat belts is cars...Seat belts are mandatory in order to help save lives...Why should not helmets have the same laws.....I take exception with the "riders right to choose" in this argument..If you want to ride, you should be required to wear a helmet.....JMHO of which I just expressed..... |
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Central Maryland | opas ride - 2013-04-12 11:22 AM
Anyone responsible adult that rides without a helmet is nuts!! Same goes for those who do not fasten seat belts is cars...Seat belts are mandatory in order to help save lives...Why should not helmets have the same laws.....I take exception with the "riders right to choose" in this argument..If you want to ride, you should be required to wear a helmet.....JMHO of which I just expressed.....
If someone wants to risk an increased chance of being killed; from not wearing a helmet... let them. Why do you want to control someone's choice opas? It's not your head; not your life. It is not of your concern, It does not affect you personally. So why do you want it to be "required"?
That is what's wrong with our country; too many people trying to control others. Let folks go their own way; as long as they are not personally impacting you.... why stick yer nose in their business?
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Mechanicsville, VA United States | We are dumb American's we need more government control! I need someone to tell me how to walk/talk/manage my money/my house whole/my children/ my life style/ my business....I must do as I'm told..........you will wear a helmet or you will die! |
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Camas Washington | Wow, I am amazed at all those who say screw the helmet it my choice. When I was an avid cyclist best advice I got was "how much is your head worth" when picking out a helmet. I use to ware a 1/2, last year a went full face and will not go back. To those that say it is there choice, yes it is but it becomes everyone problems when insurance cost go up to cover medical expenses that can be prevented. All it takes it one time, let me state it again, all it takes is one time. You want to gamble go ahead it is your choice but when I read about a biker going down and in serious condition or killed bacause of head trauma due to no helmet, don't ask me to feel sorry for the person.
For most it is an ego thing for others, including several friends I ride with its: look at me I'm a badass biker no helmet. I tell them it takes one time and you go from badass to dumbass being feed by a straw.
I ware a helmet for the following:
Snow sking - this year it saved me from a potential head injury when nailed by a snowboarder
Wakeboarding - manitory for anyone who boards behind my boat, learned this lesson the hard way with a friend of my son nailing his head on the board doing a crazy air trick
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Prairie City, IA United States | diamonbird - 2013-04-12 12:18 PM
We are dumb American's we need more government control! I need someone to tell me how to walk/talk/manage my money/my house whole/my children/ my life style/ my business....I must do as I'm told..........you will wear a helmet or you will die!
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | Back in the mid 60's when my first ride was a 250 YAMAHA twin mosquito killer helmets weren't required. A buddy of mine bought a simular sized bike and we spent a fair amount of time runnin' around Seattle back when it was still a small city. One day he was cut off, hit by someone else and slid down the street until his forehead took out a 4 x 4 bearing a parking sign. He spent the next 23 years as a big carrot until he finally passed away from health complications. As a consequence of his accident (and heavy duty badgering from my Mother) I started wearing a BUCO half lid, learned to tolerate the giggles coming from others until time made all of that stop. I always ride with a helmet because the street is getting nastier every day.
Make your own decisions as we're all adults but be prepared as your family should be, to perhaps spend the balance of your life plugged into a million dollars of medical machinery when, some day, yuppiepuppy mommy tells the cop 'I never saw him' and you're in a big pile on the far side of the VOLVO wagon with your brains leaking all over the street.
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Spfld, IL but temp Bay area, CA | Been working in CA pretty much the past 4 years. Love the climate, the scenery, the roads, especially love lane sharing, but absolutely detest having to put on a helmet every time I get on the bike. At home in central IL, I seldom wear my helmet. Out here, no way I would commute the Bay area freeways without a helmet, but when I'm riding back roads around Yosemite or NorCal, I really miss the freedom to choose whether or not I wear a helmet. BTW, I choose to refuse wearing a seat belt unless on a long trip or after ingesting even a small amount of alcohol. I am also a die hard, gun owning Democrat. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I agree with a few states which their law says you must wear a helmet unless you have adequate medical coverage. I wear a helmet. I currently have 6 helmets total and wear all of them depending on the bike, weather, etc. However, I do not feel that helmets should be mandatory if you can cover your own medical expenses. |
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Chattanooga, TN | Helmets, like seat belts, ane not for those who don't trust their own skills. They are for those who know the skills of some other drivers suck and those same suckey drivers try multitasking by using their car as a mobile office without pulling over first. I'm wearing my helmet because of them, but I'd certainly prefer not to. My hair looks much better without a helmet. |
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Central Maryland | I maintain a "high and tight" so I don't have to worry about "helmet hair" 
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Chattanooga, TN | Yes, I keep mine much shorter in the riding season, too bad that won't fix stupid, or I'd be a genius! |
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Manchester, CT | I absolutely agree with you baadawg. In the NE, deer over the years, have exponentially increased their population. I live in a neighborhood where the houses sit on half acre lots. There are always deer tracks in my backyard. Just last week, 5 minutes from my house on 4 lane road, in the middle heavliy populated commercial land a deer took out a rider. The road was shutdown for hours to allow LifeStar (Medevac helicoptor) to land and take the rider to the hospital. Between driving in an area of the country that have the worst drivers in the US (I've driven in pretty much all the states), CT, MA, NY, NJ and wildlife, not wearing a helmet isn't an option. Regarding mandating a helmet law...I would like to use the old cliche with a twist....Live and Let live...or die. NH's state moto is live free or die! Well there you have it. |
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| No helmet requirement where I live, but I still almost always wear one and I've been riding Harley's for many years. Most folks I see are wearing helmets. I'm all for freedom of choice as long as the freedoms come with accountability. If you choose to go without a helmet you should also have sufficient health insurance coverage and life insurance if you have a family to support. |
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Mechanicsville, VA United States | The problem I have with having to wear a helmet is during the Summer months, I have blacked out while running 70 mph on the interstate because there's no cooling of the head with a helmet on. I didn't go down only because I came too before I went down and pulled off to the side of the interstate to try and figure out what to do next. So wearing a helmet will save my life.....Right!!!!? We should have a choice!, not be forced! I live in the land of the free, and what I or you do has nothing to do with each other! |
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| willtill...I respect your opinions on helmet laws and when you go down , or one of your family or friends do, and bust their head open because they exercised their rights to not wear a helmet, you might mellow a bit...I am not controlling you in any way, you are free to choose, but I will never change my position on mandatory helmets laws.....Sorry you feel the way you do and I hope you never crash without a helmet on....... |
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Mechanicsville, VA United States | WOW! opas ride, so you're saying willtill will go down......how do you know this??? Have you gone down? |
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Central Maryland | opas ride - 2013-04-12 6:39 PM
willtill...I respect your opinions on helmet laws and when you go down , or one of your family or friends do, and bust their head open because they exercised their rights to not wear a helmet, you might mellow a bit...I am not controlling you in any way, you are free to choose, but I will never change my position on mandatory helmets laws.....Sorry you feel the way you do and I hope you never crash without a helmet on.......
Dude!!! Please...
I am for wearing a helmet. I wear one. I hope I never crash, but if I do... it'll be with a helmet on.
I am against those whom decree to others that it is mandatory to wear a helmet. And go of their way to impose their personal will on others.
You know what opas? I think that short people should not ride big bikes. How would you feel about that? Let us enact a law that prohibits small people from riding large bikes, because it is thought that it's not safe for them. We don't think they are smart enough or skillful enough to handle a big bike. We don't really care what they want. WE know better for them.
You wouldn't like that law? ...would you?
I saw a dude smack his melon and die several years ago; right in front of my house. He was drunk; racing his crotch rocket up and down our street late at night. The chinstrap wasn't fastened; when he crashed... his helmet ripped off his head and he smacked his face and forehead firmly into the asphalt in front of my house. We ran out... nothing to do but watch him quiver, moan and die in front of us.
I get the helmet thing. I don't need anyone telling me I HAVE to wear it.
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Manchester, CT | Hey willtil....As Randy Newman sang...short people have no reason to live...Never liked Randy Newman...When I read your example I LOL'd! Like me, life is too short and life couldn't be better, especially since I am taking delivery of my new VV tomorrow!
Just think of all the advantages I have . Kids prices on everything! I can still act like a kid while being wise enough, for myself and family, to wear a helmet. The only thing I really hate is not being able to go on some of the Six Flag rides LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! On btw...I'm 5'6" and I bought boots with 1.5" heels! |
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Peru, IN | You'd have been alright in the '70s, Tom. They had platform shoes back then. |
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| I live in Texas and we have the option to go without a helmet. I wear a full face all of the time. Just as SYNSTR stated the soccer mom will be real sorry she did not see you. Every time I see Gary Busey, I am reminded of why wearing a helmet is a good idea. He suffered a brain injury in a MC accident that was his fault. No helmet....Just sayin' |
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Central Illinois | Let me weigh in here, most everyone else already has. I hate helmet laws because they interfere with Darwin. How the heck do we cleanse the gene pool when the state insists on everyone having minimal protection? I fully support the freedom to choose but I will not even ride to the corner without at least a 3/4 helmet on my own head, in my no helmet law state. I ignore helmet laws in all states where I ride because I believe that I should survive any accident so the law really does not change my behavior.
I am now a 65 year old rider but at 22, when no state had any helmet laws at all, I got into an accident that I survived because I was wearing the terribly poor helmet that could be had at that time. It was fiberglass of all things and the impact damage on it revealed just how much damage could be done to something made of glass. The shatter pattern on the helmet was dramatic and I kept that thing around for over 10 years just to remind myself of how much damage my head might have suffered without it.
Did you get it? There was no such thing back then as a helmet law, also no such thing as lobbies like ABATE fighting them. Each person was up to their own opinion of the value of a helmet and back then most folks wore one. We were riders, not posers, and we valued our own survival, not some macho image. I personally think the HD "culture" is leading the general motorcycle population in the wrong direction when it comes to safety equipment. I also use a good quality riding jacket in summer rather than a T-shirt with the sleeves cut off. It is not very macho but it will save me from tons of road rash the next time a cager tries to kill me. The cager may well succeed but not because I fail to take appropriate precautions. If you don't think that a cager can get you, you are living in a dream world. Say hello to Roger Rabbit for me. |
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Manchester, CT | Don't quite remember the 70s ...oh yeah...I hated disco! |
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Mechanicsville, VA United States | I liked the 70's and I liked Disco........you know Staying alive.....Staying alive!lol |
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Central Illinois | I am talking 60s, not 70s. I started riding in 1968 and had that life changing accident around 1970. By then I had been riding with a helmet and heavy denim protection, nothing like I have now, for 2 years. I personally hated the polyester "DISCO" clothing that became popular in the mid 70s, but this was well before that time. A couple of years after my wreck, I had to get my first ever motorcycle endorsement on my driver's license. It was considered a big deal at the time since it had never been required before. I was a bit tense when I found that I would be required to ride my own bike through a test that was brand new at the time. I had no idea what criteria they would use to decide pass or fail for me. I took the test and passed but I must say that the unknown was itself a real challenge. |
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Jasper, MO | You have to have a license to ride these things?
I've never had to take a skills test to ride a motorcycle. I started riding before the MC endorsement was required, and I was "grandfathered in" when it did become a requirement. There was no helmet requirement then either. Yes, I wear one.
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Orlando, FL | I'm surprised this is even a topic. It's a choice. Some wear 'em some don't. There's tons of data out there so you can make an informed choice. Personally, I don't care what you wear, as long as you learn to ride your bike correctly. I am so tired of encountering people who cannot ride or have never been taught to ride properly and just should not be on a motorcycle.....helmet or not. Please, learn how to ride! And that includes learning to ride with others. (Yes, there are other people on the road with you) |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Yes in helmet states, no in non helmet states............ |
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Prairie City, IA United States | MaddMAx2u - 2013-04-13 9:17 AM
I'm surprised this is even a topic. It's a choice. Some wear 'em some don't. There's tons of data out there so you can make an informed choice. Personally, I don't care what you wear, as long as you learn to ride your bike correctly. I am so tired of encountering people who cannot ride or have never been taught to ride properly and just should not be on a motorcycle.....helmet or not. Please, learn how to ride! And that includes learning to ride with others. (Yes, there are other people on the road with you)
I couldn't agree with you more. I watched a beginner class of rider this morning and it made me wonder: How many of these riders are going to learn just enough to pass a drivers test and think they are good riders? The skills a MSF course teaches is just the beginning. As with anything, we all need to be a life long students.
My wife and I are uncommon riders. We ride 20K+ miles a year each on our own bike and we will take at least an hour a month just practicing in a parking lot. If we are riding near a MSF course, we will go play in the box and S curves. If you have never watch an Ride Like a Pro video I would encourage everyone to do so. It will take you riding skills up a level quickly. best $35 I ever spent. |
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Manchester, CT | Hey Istayner..having just taken delivery of my new bike along with this being the largest displacement and weight that I've riden on, I ordered the Ride Like a Pro 5 DVD. I definately want and need to practice my slow speed maneuvering. I am planning on loading the DVD on my iPad and taking it with me to the parking. Watch, practice, watch, practice etc. And yes...I will be wearing my helmet |
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Peru, IN | Stay off your front brake at walking speeds, especially in gravel/sand.
When you want the Vision to turn, it turns NOW. Lean the bike into the turn (high speed or low speed) and you'll be ok.
You wasted a grand on the Stage 1 kit from Vic. You could have done more with less money if you'd gone though Witchdoctors. (WDs pipes, VFCIII fuel processor and Lloydz top filter.) |
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | Here in Canada, all provinces have helmet laws! Two years ago, 4 good freinds and I rode to the North rim of the grand canyon.We shed our hemets at the boarder, only donning them one day, during a rain storm. This was the first time I had the opportunity I had to ride legally with out it. It was exhilarating! Loved it can not wait to ride again. I feel it should be our choice and our choice along. But I will not berate anyone who chooses to ride with a helmet or not. If I was given the choice here, I would continue to wear one for my commutes to and from work, however weekend rides and evenings I would choose not to wear. Saying that, we do not ride on city streets, we take to the highways and byways. For you that have the choice, I recommend that you make a hazard assessment of where you will be riding and based on that make your choice.
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Prairie City, IA United States | Hey Tom,
I went to Walmart and bought some really el cheapo tennis balls and cut them in half to use for pylons. They are compact and only take a couple of minutes to set out. The weave is the 1st exercise and when you get good at that the rest of his exercises are easier.
Be careful cutting the tennis balls in 1/2 I recommend a vice and a hacksaw. Leave the utility knife in the drawer. |
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Central Maryland | Empty beer cans instead |
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Chattanooga, TN | I know of a guy who didn't have a lid on, stopped at a stop sign after riding an extended distance and didn't get his foot down in time. Bike went over. Bumped his head on the asphalt and went into a coma. He later died before coming out of it. I'd hate to die from something as simple as that. Even a half lid could have prevented it. I'll put a lid on mine! |
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Bolivar Missouri | I believe to wear or not should be left up to the individual after the age of 21 . |
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Manchester, CT | Hey Istayner and willtel,
Thanks for your ideas. I was actually thinking about those cheap small marker cones that they use for kids soccer. They're not really cones more like a raised circle with an elevated dimple. The tennis ball I am sure is a less expensive alternative. I really appreciate the suggestion to start with the weave first. I will do this when I head out for a cruise this afternoon.
willtil...days of old I would have used beer cans but like many out there I am recoverying from an awful disease. That's one of the key reasons I bought the Vision. To enjoy life again with my wife and just cruise the country, free like an eagle! I'm not the philosophical type but life has never been better, especially now with our black and chrome eagle sitting in the garage! Thus the biker moniker...Street Eagle and my wife Betty, Road Eagle
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Peru, IN | Street Eagle - 2013-04-14 12:41 PM
Hey Istanyer...always wondered where your nickname came from??? I think I will start on a new post on this
It's "L" Stayner so I'm guessing it's his name. What do I win? Do I get extra credit if I can guess his first name? :D |
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Peru, IN | willtill - 2013-04-14 10:26 AM
Empty beer cans instead
Not that empty beer cans wouldn't work but it's probably easier to explain tennis balls to a cop if he stops you. "Honestly, officer. I wasn't drinking. I'm practicing my weaving. Wait. What I mean is...." |
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Central Maryland | Monkeyman - 2013-04-14 12:52 PM
willtill - 2013-04-14 10:26 AM
Empty beer cans instead
Not that empty beer cans wouldn't work but it's probably easier to explain tennis balls to a cop if he stops you. "Honestly, officer. I wasn't drinking. I'm practicing my weaving. Wait. What I mean is...."
Lol!  Well... drink them the night before.... |
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Prairie City, IA United States | Street Eagle - 2013-04-14 11:41 AM
Hey Istanyer...always wondered where your nickname came from??? I think I will start on a new post on this
It is pretty hard to come up with L is Larry and the rest is the last name. Not real imaginative like my buddy Kidagain that rides a GW. |
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Dallas, Texas | I think that I have now decided to go ATGATT, 24/7. That way if I trip and fall, or fall down some stairs, I might be ok. Even if I get hit by a bus, I would have a better chance of survival. So, if you see a guy riding a VV, driving in his 'cage', or even just walking down the street, in ATGATT, you'll know. At least I'll be safer. |
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New Bohemia, VA | as long as it has a D.O.T. sticker on it, it will protect you. If you need a sticker I know where you can get them... |
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Chattanooga, TN | One more reason to wear a helmet....
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| EMT call riders who don't where helmets Donner's. |
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| Interesting to note that a recent national poll on helmets laws favor a National Mandatory Helmet law across the US...In my personal opinion I hope it passes someday...Riding without a helmet makes no sense and I do not buy the "right to choose" crap...because that is what it is "crap"...JMHO of which I am expressing...Why is it that most Victory, BMW, Honda, etc. riders wear helmets, and 90% of HD riders go without??? Must be a HOG thing or status symbol......Not cool to me...Don't flame me cause I do not buy others rationale on this issue...Sorry
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| I get a kick out of riders with no helmets. Used to live in Florida where they are not required. Funny to watch them during love bug season. Or the same people wearing flip flops when riding. Really smart. But I guess you look cool. |
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Orlando, FL | donetracey - 2013-04-12 12:53 AM
OK - I have gone thru this several times. I started riding with no laws, then lived thru the first laws.
True Story: When 'helmet laws' were introduced in British Columbia - I did a STUDY. I discovered that more people died falling out of bed, then died from head injuries in Motorcycle Accidents. For real !!!
So I proposed that the Government legislate a mandatory HELMET LAW that would demand that people put on a helmet before getting out of bed in the morning. Made sense to me !!!
Well - you know how far that would go ....
I lived and rode in Orlando, Florida for 5 years from 1997 to 2002. The Florida Helmet Law was repealed in 2000 or so - so I drove a couple of years down there without a helmet. The only good thing I can say about a helmet is that it keeps your head warm in cold weather.
I would rather die from a head injury, than be a cripple with a broken back whose life was saved by his helmet. This has been MY argument since the first law was introduced in BC back in the 70's. And believe me - there are MANY cripples around who should have died. Sad - but a fact of life.
If I was a 'racer' - I would use EVERY safety device that was available to me. But I'm not - and should be allowed a choice.
IMHO ... (right, like I'M humble )
Thanks Don, I could not have said it better. Recently had a biker tell me he was surprised I did not wear a helmet as I am in the medical profession. I replied that I was surprised he wasn't minding his own business since he's not in the gossip profession.
Then a cager made it their business to tell me I SHOULD wear a helmet. I asked them if they knew the biggest cause of death in a car accident. They did not. I replied, "It's head injuries. So why aren't you wearing a helmet every time you get in your car?" Well, you can imagine the excuses I got. Blah, blah, blah, blah. But excuses don't change statistics. People see what they want to see.
I agree with many that it's a personal choice. Some of my passengers wear a helmet and I do not judge that. If I offer them a helmet and they don't want one, I always ask why. If they say "because you aren't wearing one", I hand them a helmet. Most of the time I choose NOT to wear a helmet. If it is raining I wear one to be able to see well in the rain. I know the risks. Do you know the risks of wearing a helmet? Surprise, there are risks people!! Some are deadly and I won't even start that conversation.
So please, if you feel safer and want to wear a helmet, good for you, but don't judge those that do not.
And if you feel safer and don't want to wear a helmet, good for you, but don't judge those that do.
It's all the same and all a choice. Respect your fellow bikers choice. It's his choice, not yours! MYOB!
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Prairie City, IA United States | varyder - 2013-04-19 12:46 PM
as long as it has a D.O.T. sticker on it, it will protect you. If you need a sticker I know where you can get them...
Are you from the Government? Are you here to help? LOL |
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Peru, IN | Helmets make sense just like an armored jacket (or leather). As long as you know the consequences of your actions (and they don't affect others), do what you want to do. (I wear one.) It's in the low 80s today and sunny. I didn't feel like wearing a lined leather jacket so I went with a t shirt. I KNOW what would have happened if I'd dumped the bike. It was still my choice to go without a jacket. I don't see anyone trying to pass a bill requiring everyone to wear armor (or leather...or armored leather). (BTW, I think I sunburned my arms. Bummer.) |
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New Bohemia, VA | really, this is forum fodder that's been discussed from the time the first motorcycle was made. 20 years in the Army taught the more "safer" we got, the more accidents that seemed to happen. The common denominator was the individual's action in the situation, not the safety equipment. As a paratrooper we had a reserve parachute. The two fatality realated accidents that happened because of parachute malfunction the paratrooper failed to deploy the reserve in time or not at all. They had the equipment, but the training didn't stick. Yes, others had parachute malfunctions but they deployed the reserve in time. Without going to other morbid examples, I don't think we should legislate the use of helmets, insurance companies would do a better job if they had a no-helmet clause. Reading some of the accidents that occur, using safety gear may have lessened the injuries, but the skill of the rider seems to be the contributing factor to cause the accident. We can try to legislate this stuff, but as Don Tracy points out, far many more people get injured or killed doing dumb stuff around the house, than those who ride motorcycles. As I see now, with socialist medical insurance in play, you may find home activities being legislated also.
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Peru, IN | varyder - 2013-05-01 5:46 PM
...far many more people get injured or killed doing dumb stuff around the house...
About 10 years ago, I read that most accidents happen within 10 miles of the house.....so I moved. I'm safe, now.
I'm all for a helmet clause in an insurance policy. If you get in an accident and you're wearing a helmet, they pay more than if you aren't. Unfortunately, under Obamacare, even those who ride wheelies on bald tires in a blizzard wearing surfer shorts, a tank top and flip flops get the same care. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Monkeyman - 2013-05-01 6:11 PM varyder - 2013-05-01 5:46 PM ...far many more people get injured or killed doing dumb stuff around the house... About 10 years ago, I read that most accidents happen within 10 miles of the house.....so I moved. I'm safe, now. I'm all for a helmet clause in an insurance policy. If you get in an accident and you're wearing a helmet, they pay more than if you aren't. Unfortunately, under Obamacare, even those who ride wheelies on bald tires in a blizzard wearing surfer shorts, a tank top and flip flops get the same care. Does that means we all can ride buck nekked now...? |
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Danbury, Connecticut | opas ride - 2013-05-01 10:55 AM
Interesting to note that a recent national poll on helmets laws favor a National Mandatory Helmet law across the US...In my personal opinion I hope it passes someday...Riding without a helmet makes no sense and I do not buy the "right to choose" crap...because that is what it is "crap"...JMHO of which I am expressing...Why is it that most Victory, BMW, Honda, etc. riders wear helmets, and 90% of HD riders go without??? Must be a HOG thing or status symbol......Not cool to me...Don't flame me cause I do not buy others rationale on this issue...Sorry Opa, With all due respect. Sure you support it since it agrees with your view. What if next years poll overwhelmingly favors outlawing all motorcycles because they are just too dangerous and cause far too many injuries/deaths and those maniacs just ride wheelies and slice in and out of traffic and yada yada yada. Should the view of uninvolved others dictate what surely must be in our best interests? Us motorcycle riders must just be too damn ignorant to grasp how stupid we are for engaging in this silly/crazy activity, so they must save us from ourselves. I don't want my liberties assaulted by my government on the condition that my liberties don't disregard the liberties of my fellow citizens. I worry more about having my brain preserved by a helmet and becoming a quadriplegic when I wear a helmet than I do about dying in a crash without a helmet. I wear a helmet more often than not these days but I don't want or need anyone telling me I have to. Make choices that meet your needs and beliefs and respect ALL OTHERS choice to do the same. This is still a free country, just not as free as it used to be. Again, with all due respect-Ride safe with or without. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | I wear a helmet for 2 1/2 reasons:
1. It's the law here in BC
2. I'm bald as a billiard ball - and I need some warmth
2 1/2. I'm bald, mostly ride in sunshine, and don't need my remaining skin cooked off |
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New Bohemia, VA | Sonny Barger, yeah, him, wears a full face helmet nowadays, done it since the days of his trach. |
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So Cal | I see it all the time here. Sportbike riders, tank top, shorts, sneakers, fullface helmet? I guess you need some way to ID the victim in case of an accident. I have been in situations where a beanie helmet has saved my head from road rash. Might not have been dot approved but still worked.
Some of the dots feel too heavy. I have read hat heavy elmets can cause neck injuries. I know, it all depends on who is paying for the research.
City & rush hour riding, I like a helmet. On the open road, it's nice to feel the wind, no helmet. If I'm in an accident at 70-80, I don't think I want to survive. |
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| cjnoho - 2013-05-01 9:54 PM
City & rush hour riding, I like a helmet. On the open road, it's nice to feel the wind, no helmet. If I'm in an accident at 70-80, I don't think I want to survive.
I think I agree with the above!
For those Missourians...
Missouri is just about to remove the Helmet Law, so I heard today on the radio....
I would like to ride once without, but afraid that is the time I would fall over!!! |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | If I wasn't required by law to wear one I'd never wear one. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm curious, real, or novelty helmet? |
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Mechanicsville, VA United States | I would like to choose when I wear a helmet! What happened to our freedom in this country? |
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Peru, IN | varyder - 2013-05-01 6:27 PM
Does that means we all can ride buck nekked now...?
Been doing that for years (once the temps get over 70...I'm not CRAZY!). |
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Orlando, FL | Monkeyman - 2013-05-01 6:11 PM
About 10 years ago, I read that most accidents happen within 10 miles of the house.....so I moved. I'm safe, now.
Genius Monkeyman. I'm gonna move too. Lord I wanna be safe!!!! That's why I ride a motorcycle hard and fast. To be safe! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL |
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Peru, IN | As long as you get past that 10 mile mark, you should be fine. That's about the time I take off all my clothes. No way I can get hurt. |
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Lindale, TX | Always ride with a helmet. Was using a 3/4 helmet for last four years. Decided to replace it today with a full face. I did a lot of research and as much as I would enjoy the "Freedom" of going helmet less here in Texas, I know statistically you are significantly safer protecting your brain. Also, My wife and kids feel much better about their breadwinner wearing a helmet. |
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Peru, IN | Speaking of helmets, I just sold my Speed and Strength SS2200 for $120 (plus shipping). Only worn 3x so someone got a steal of a deal. Just have to figure out a way to drive 20 miles to ship it while working the next 7 days straight. |
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Central Maryland | Easttexasrider - 2013-05-02 6:42 PM
Always ride with a helmet. Was using a 3/4 helmet for last four years. Decided to replace it today with a full face. I did a lot of research and as much as I would enjoy the "Freedom" of going helmet less here in Texas, I know statistically you are significantly safer protecting your brain. Also, My wife and kids feel much better about their breadwinner wearing a helmet.
Only takes one time (an "off") even wearing a helmet and you'll be a believer.... some folks think they're impervious to the kinetic energy of a resultant head impact on the asphalt.... try holding your head away from it as it's being thrust towards it at 20mph+
You're a fool if you think you're strong enough to resist the velocity. A god damned fool. Because the "off" is going to take you by surprise and you weren't even anticipating it....
...and YOU will be DEAD (shortly thereafter) ..or a head in the bed - a vegetable. A nice tribute to those whom loved you. Pretty fucking selfish of you...eh?
Because you thought you were "cool" and rode without a helmet.
I have no words for bikers like that.
If you have a choice; cover your brain with a brain bucket. It doesn't make you a sissy. It will help you become a survivor.
Even someone as cranky as Don wears a helmet. That should be proof enough; of the protection that is recognized with a helmet.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Will ... and all of you who have considered this thread about helmets...
Some of you, like Floridians have a choice.
Some of you, like ALL Canadians - don't.
One simple fact covers ALL in this subject: YOU ARE GOING TO DIE
Heart Attack, Bee Sting, Wife Beating, Tracey Boring, Too Much Sex, Too Little Sex, Stubbed Toe, Bullet Wound, Cancer ... F**k - you figure it out ...
And you think that some kind of ARMOUR will save you ?
Maybe - until NEXT time. For cripes sakes - ENJOY life !!!
If the end comes too soon - it is TOO SOON FOR THE SURVIVORS .... YOU won't know or care
And we sure as shit have enough survivors to keep the species going ....
Just LIVE and ENJOY your days and stop all the worry about 'Should I or Shouldn't I ' - none of it matters. We're ALL gonna DIE !
Just TRY YOUR BEST to not CAUSE someone else to die. NOT by passing laws - but by driving better, being more cautious with your cigarette lighter, looking after your health. - diet. Give more love to your wife, children, family.
All the Bike Armor in the world means nothing if you don't care about staying alive. Sorry for boring you to death. Live on ....
Sorry again - we're well into my Vodka hours ... don't be critical if you aren't a SAINT. Luv Ya ...
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm not saying we should all go and do something stupid because we're going to die anyways, but I agree, enjoy life. I didn't ride a murdercycle for over 17 years and didn't get my first one until I was 24 years old. While I know me, I say that was a good thing to wait, because I probably would be dead today. Riding a motorcycle has it's risk, but I don't believe it warrants a bubble suit. I know statistic say a lot, but I rarely see anything that provides the entire circumstance of a motorcycle related accident. The sad thing is, from information I glean from reading about motorcycle accidents that it was the riders fault. Too fast for conditions, intoxicated, excessive speed, unable to negotiate, bad judgment, and so on. I see a lot of advocates for ATGATT, but very little on honing your skills as a rider. |
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Brighton, TN | Say it again Don, Say it again! However, wait a little longer into your Vodka and after you've visited the little honey for an evening rendezvous. Then come back and see if your view has changed or not.
I like a helmet for a couple of reasons:
1. Softens the blow from the backseat, when I scrape pegs or tipovers.
2. It is a little bit of sunshade.
3. Knocks some of the noise of wind.
4. The only person hearing me screaming like a little girl was me, as the 18 wheeler almost ran me over at a stoplight. I managed to get out of his way as he blew through the intersection heavy on his air horn. I was already out of the way on the shoulder but the truck in front of him barely moved, guess he couldn't hear an air horn or see "FREIGHTLINER" getting bigger in his rear view.
5. Keeps the rain from pelting me at 65mph.
6. Keeps me warm.
Reasons I don't like a helmet:
1. I get real sleepy with a full face on.
2. My head itches after I got it all buckled down.
3. I get real sleepy and heavy eyelids with a full face. Bad for riding.
4. The visor fogs up and I can't see anything, once again bad.
5. Between all the gear and heavy helmet, I'm warm and tired, and sleepy. Bad again.
Unfortunately, I am not one of those guys that can wear ATGATT. I have to monitor what it is that I'm wearing for the occasion. When its cold Full face helmet and plenty of jackets and windproof gear.
As it warms out comes the 1/2 helmet, need a 3/4 to fill in the gap. Layers of clothing start falling off, till its so warm that I'm down to a T-shirt and blue jeans and boots and some gloves.
I love to ride but I'd rather be aware and riding than all geared up and ride like a drunk going down the road because I can't stay awake. Wear as much gear as you can that it doesn't inhibit your safety and stay as comfortable as you can.
Nothing sucks more than riding and can't wait to get off cuz your balls are dropping sweat faster than Niagra Falls flows. |
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Central Illinois | OK, everyone who lives will end by dieing. That is reality itself, much like the statement that all bleeding stops eventually. On the other hand I am a mere 65 years old and can expect to live at least another 20 years, based on my family history, unless some accident cuts that short. My real trade off is the remaining 20 years of my life against a slightly uncomfortable helmet. So far I have been choosing the helmet. I even kept my first challenged helmet around for over 10 years to remind myself that surviving past 20 years old was the result of that helmet. I never chose to use it again because it had already given up its useful life by saving mine. Without that helmet I would have never lived past 20 years old. The fiberglass of that helmet had shattered rather dramatically while absorbing the impact that might have otherwise killed me.
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scotts valley, California | It is a real pleasure to have the option. In California, as in many states we have no option; wear a helmet or don't ride. Wear seat belts or don't drive. Pay taxes or go to jail. I thank God that there are still some states where I can choose to take off my helmet on a hot day and enjoy the wind. To me, it is worth the risk.
My best friend and frequent riding pardner always wore a full face, and body armor, and boots, and gloves. On September 10th last year a young lady driver T-boned him, and he was gone before they got him to the hospital, a terrible accident, but he died doing what he enjoyed doing. There ARE risks involved with motorcycle riding. I feel like it should be up to the individual how he deals with those risks.
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So. Indiana | I wear a helmet on my daily commutes, but often don't when buzzing around home (I live in the country) because I enjoy the convenience. I like having the option and hope it stays that way. If you can be taken to jail for your decisions, I think you have the right to determine if you want to wear a helmet or not. It's accepted risk and our right as human beings to determine if it's acceptable.
That said, any passengers I carry must have jeans, real shoes or boots and a helmet.
I've known far more people to die in car accidents than motorcycle accidents... and I know a lot of people that ride. There's a guy who died walking backwards (a local gym teacher) and another who died of a heart attack, hiking the Appalachian trail. I think there's enough fussing about what other people are doing.
As someone else mentioned above, there are more than a few people that feel that motorcycles should be outlawed all together... and that's no joke. |
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| GW rider in SO Cal on the hwy, got smacked in the head. he pulled off the shoulder and found a 3/4" bolt stuck in his helmet. His helmet saved his life. His theory was a bolt got on the hwy and a car or truck ran over the bolt and 'pinched' the bolt and shot out from under the tire and hit him in the head.
I wear a modular and that is my choice and my preference. keeps me cooler in the summer. warmer in the winter. drier in the rain.
Interesting statistic I came across, I forget which govt. website. if you add bicyclist and pedistrian fatalities together, they equal mc fatallities. My uncle was hit twice by cars while riding his bicycle. after being hit the second time he stopped bicycling. he was riding in the bicycle lane both times. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I've read a story or two where a Bible in the breast pocket of a soldier stopped a bullet that would have gone through his heart. General Patton survived many war battles only to die from injuries suffered in a minor traffic accident. He was the only one injured out of 5 passengers involved. Go figure.
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| Pull the lining back on the inside of your helmet. My Bell said if dropped above 5 feet send back to factory for stress test.
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