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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Fellow riders...I am looking for recommendations for air pumps for the VV air suspension. I know Victory makes one but I wanted to know if there are better alternatives out there. |
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Cruiser
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | I got mine om eBay... Search for motorcycle air pump... |
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Tourer
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New Mexico | Try this thread, about half way down
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=9157&sta...
sgiacci - 2011-06-30 5:38 PM
My solution to the air shock is a Topeak PocketShock for $23 off eBay, and I mounted in a really great spot in the trunk. And of course I used - VELCRO!!
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Thanks! I just checked out the Topeak Pocket Shock DXG Bike Pump. It looks like a great unit and the reviews are good on Amazon. fyi...Amazon has the best price right now...$32.42. Of course if you are a Prime member you get 2 day shipping included.
For those of you that aren't familiar with Amazon's Prime membership, its worth the annual fee. Its somewhere in the upper $70 range/year. For items that are offered under Prime (most items are) you get free 2 day shipping and for $3.95 you can have it overnighted. |
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New Mexico | Street Eagle - 2013-03-16 9:46 PM
Thanks! I just checked out the Topeak Pocket Shock DXG Bike Pump. It looks like a great unit and the reviews are good on Amazon. fyi...Amazon has the best price right now...$32.42. Of course if you are a Prime member you get 2 day shipping included.
For those of you that aren't familiar with Amazon's Prime membership, its worth the annual fee. Its somewhere in the upper $70 range/year. For items that are offered under Prime (most items are) you get free 2 day shipping and for $3.95 you can have it overnighted.
I'm glad Amazon works for you, but IMHO - Amazon sucks. I can usually find better prices elsewhere.
And I can never, ever seem to qualify for Amazon's 'free' shipping. Even was a Prime Member for a year, and nothing I ordered ever qualified for the free shipping.
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Tourer
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| Crap that pump has increased in cost by 50% in less then 2 years. Still cheaper than Victory's and it works great in the trunk. |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Gosh I'm SO lucky! Been riding 53 years and never needed one.... Dealer adjusts every time I get a service - I ALWAYS ride 2-up with Co-Pilot - and have NEVER felt the need to have any 'adjustment' to the ride. (Including NEVER checking the air pressure in my tires... ) I always just think about enjoying my ride - leave the worrying to my Dealer ...
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Central Maryland | donetracey - 2013-03-17 2:25 AM
Gosh I'm SO lucky!? Been riding 53 years and never needed one.... Dealer adjusts every time I get a service - I ALWAYS ride 2-up with Co-Pilot - and have NEVER felt the need to have any 'adjustment' to the ride. (Including NEVER checking the air pressure in my tires... ) I always just think about enjoying my ride - leave the worrying to my Dealer ...
Don,
One day; this lackadaisical attitude you have about motorcycle maintenance, checks and adjustments is going to bite you hard in the ass.
Just saying.... |
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Iron Butt
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| I've got an pump I use but I like the idea of one attached to the trunk. |
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | The only 2 things that matter is that it's zero loss (if it's not, you'll lose 2 or 3 pounds of air just pulling the chuck off...2 or 3 pounds makes a LOT of difference) and a 0-60 pound gauge. You need to be pretty accurate and the 0-300 pound gauges aren't nearly accurate enough for the shock. Brand doesn't matter. I have the Progressive pump I bought used a couple years ago. It works great. I keep it in the original bulky plastic and foam container. It takes up too much room. I'd like to find a nice pouch for it.
I also check the air in the bike and cage tires with the gauge. It's more accurate than most regular air pressure gauges. |
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Monkeyman...I absolutely agree in regards to PSI accuracy and the fact that you can loose air when removing the pump connection. That's one of the reasons why I went with this pump. It has a built in value in the connector that eliminates air escaping when removing the nozzle. |
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | Mine screws on the air valve. I got mine for $25 shipped. I've seen new ones that cheap. Still, 2 years of checking air shocks, tires, etc and even trying to pump up the occasional tire with it (didn't work) and it's not broken so I figure it was $25 well spent. |
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Tourer
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| If memory serves me right the one listed above (Toepeak) brand is the same brand that makes the Victory pump...Ma Vic puts its name on it and sells it through the dealers at twice the price...I know cause I was a day late and a dollar short and had already purchased the Vic pump when I learned they were bascially the same thing....Oh well, my Vic one works great and have only used it twice....Like the little button that allows the pressure to remain in shock when taking the thing off the valve...... |
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Hey Don
On another note....I noticed you got hooked up on how to imbed animated icons. A quick word on security...if you are running a windows machine, these type of icons can create security vunerabilities. Hackers use them as trojan horses. They can capture information about your PC including confidential data. They can also introduce a virus which could be a ticking time bomb. I'm not saying that all animated icons are dangerous, I'm justing calling out that they could be. This also holds true for static icons. If you are running a MAC you should be ok though. The underlying OS is UNIX which is pretty bullet proof when it comes to viruses.
Hope this helps. |
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New user
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| Bought a Zefal bike pump from walmart. has a mounting bracket included. $10, works great. |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | You lose more air by 'checking' that you will by natural loss. At most you might lose 2-3 psi between services - not worth the effort.
ALSO - after MANY years of biking (and cars/trucks) I know RIGHT AWAY (within 100 feet) if anything is not right. Haven't had a single problem no matter how slight in 5 years on MY Vision ...
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | You don't lose anything with a zero loss pump (hence the name zero loss). Nobody is good enough to know if their front tire is at 40 pounds or 38 pounds in 100 feet. Once you get used to 38 pounds, you won't feel 36 pounds, then you won't feel 34 pounds. Then your tire starts cupping and you buy a new tire prematurely. Or maybe you're magical. I'll bet I've put more miles on vehicles than you ever dreamed of and I sure couldn't tell if a tire was off by a couple pounds.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Monkeyman - 2013-03-17 4:59 PM You don't lose anything with a zero loss pump (hence the name zero loss). Nobody is good enough to know if their front tire is at 40 pounds or 38 pounds in 100 feet. Once you get used to 38 pounds, you won't feel 36 pounds, then you won't feel 34 pounds. Then your tire starts cupping and you buy a new tire prematurely. Or maybe you're magical. I'll bet I've put more miles on vehicles than you ever dreamed of and I sure couldn't tell if a tire was off by a couple pounds. EXACTLY my point! Why worry about it? If I'm down a pound or three by the time my next service is due - I sure as hell won't know - OR CARE ! If your tire pressure is too low - you 'feel' it. If your suspension is too low - your Co-Pilot raps you across the head. Either way - YOU KNOW !
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| alright guys ,I can see both sides of this.. no need too check if you always ride 2-up. every few months is prob. ok. for me I prob. ride solo more than 2-up, therfore I like to change pressure for a smoother ride. also, great idea BOOTS on the pump mounting |
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Central Maryland | donetracey - 2013-03-17 7:14 PM
You lose more air by 'checking' that you will by natural loss. At most you might lose 2-3 psi between services - not worth the effort.
ALSO - after MANY years of biking (and cars/trucks) I know RIGHT AWAY (within 100 feet) if anything is not right. Haven't had a single problem no matter how slight in 5 years on MY Vision ...
Don,
Would it not be nice if you knew your shit was wired tight; before 100 feet?
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Hey Guys
Being new to Victory bikes I really appreciate the exchange of everyone's different perspectives. At the end of the day I weigh all options and then parse the information from all your years of experience. Thanks again! I can't wait until I take delivery of my `13 VV! Waiting on the accessories to come in and get installed. Then again, we are suppose to get more snow tomorrow night followed by a potential inch of ice  . Good news is it won't last! |
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Hey Guys
Being new to Victory bikes I really appreciate the exchange of everyone's different perspectives. At the end of the day I weigh all options and then parse the information from all your years of experience. Thanks again! I can't wait until I take delivery of my `13 VV! Waiting on the accessories to come in and get installed. Then again, we are suppose to get more snow tomorrow night followed by a potential inch of ice . Good news is it won't last! |
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | willtill - 2013-03-17 5:31 PM donetracey - 2013-03-17 7:14 PM
You lose more air by 'checking' that you will by natural loss. At most you might lose 2-3 psi between services - not worth the effort.
ALSO - after MANY years of biking (and cars/trucks) I know RIGHT AWAY (within 100 feet) if anything is not right. Haven't had a single problem no matter how slight in 5 years on MY Vision ...
Don,
Would it not be nice if you knew your shit was wired tight; before 100 feet?
lol :-) Well, I have to admit I actually do a 'visual' before EVERY start-up. Eyeball the tires, exhaust, under the bike (oil), anything not sitting in the right position - common sense stuff (and yes, I know common sense is NOT so common) - but I had a brutal Sergeant at age 15 in the Militia teaching me how to drive Army Trucks. Rule was - LOOK before you drive - not "get out some cute device and test the parts before you drive". And that has worked for 54 years for me ... 
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Tourer
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Central Illinois | I got one almost exactly like the one that Boots had for about half that price. Please make sure that you do not specify a particular motorcycle brand when you start your search. Air is air after all.
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Visionary
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Street Eagle - 2013-03-17 12:21 PM Hey Don On another note....I noticed you got hooked up on how to imbed animated icons. A quick word on security...if you are running a windows machine, these type of icons can create security vunerabilities. Hackers use them as trojan horses. They can capture information about your PC including confidential data. They can also introduce a virus which could be a ticking time bomb. I'm not saying that all animated icons are dangerous, I'm justing calling out that they could be. This also holds true for static icons. If you are running a MAC you should be ok though. The underlying OS is UNIX which is pretty bullet proof when it comes to viruses. Hope this helps. Life's too short to worry about Viruses. Best thing I EVER did about that crap was stop buying PROTECTION (Norton et al) about 12 years back. Goddamned protection cost me more than a VIRUS would. AND I AM A COMPUTER PRO - for 50 years. And I programmed in UNIX for 30 years. I have 4 PC's - two using WIN 7 and two in WIN 8. NONE of them have had ANY Virus protection programs installed for 12 years - and never will - EVER. I can re-build any of my PC's quicker and CHEAPER in case of some kind of infection than ANY of the so-called Virus Protections - which are just a RIP OFF - this coming from a 50 YEAR COMPUTER GURU. Just use a little (NOT) so common sense - DON'T DOWNLOAD ANYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT !!! |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | OH - something else.
I am almost 70 years old. Most of my friends made bad decisions and are dead.
And often when I mourn - I write replies to your caring, thoughtful, delightful, sometimes un-thinking, always delightful, .... musing.
Please be aware - that after 9 PM Pacific - I have had at least 3 wonderful doses of Vodka - and that might bias my reporting.
No offence intended - just 'suck-it-up-ok?' Love ya !!!
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Tourer
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Cottage Grove, Mn | No sense in being stupid if you don't show it.
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Visionary
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Central Maryland | I have the Victory labeled air pump for checking my air shock. I have yet to lose any air when attaching or detaching it from the air valve. |
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Tourer
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| 2up - I like to run 42.586937582748 lbs.
1up - I like to run 23.983719384719 lbs.
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Central Illinois | I like your numbers sgiacci. I use a standard, no brand name, air pump on my rear shock and have no trouble with it. I am not quite as demanding as you are about pressure though. |
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Visionary
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Central Maryland | I run about 28psi one-up, and 58psi two-up (with trunk always attached) |
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | I just received the Topeak PocketShock DXG air pump. Unfortunately the gauge only provides PSI in increments of 10. Can someone recommend a pump that provides more accurate PSI increments? I know the Progressive pump was brought up but the only ones I could find via Google were in increments of 10 too (0 - 100PSI)
Fox makes a digital pump but its $70! |
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | The Progressive 0-60psi air pumps run between $30-$50 and they're in 2psi increments. Google "Progressive zero loss air pump". |
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Tourer
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, IA | Vics. Work just fine |
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Tourer
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| Consider these things.
The shock bladder is very small and a simple hand pump is more than enough.
Since the bladder is so small it is almost impossible to get single digit pressure numbers every time using just a pump. Hence my sarcastic pressure settings in the previous post.
NO, I repeat NO pump gauge is accurate, and that is why you use a tire pressure gauge for high performance readings to balance you tires out for competition. Even then competition dial gauges (which are the best) only have increments of 1#. Plus they typically max out at 60#, but the shock is designed to max out at 100#.
I have a simple stick gauge that can handle 100#, and I used to over fill the shock then use the stick gauge to let air out to the pressure I want. After a short time I stopped using the stick gauge and found that the Top Peak's gauge was good enough for the ranges I needed. |
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | I ordered the Progressive Suspension GP3-100 (100PSI max). The gauge is +/-3% accuracy. The gauge scale is in 2 degree increments. The GP3 pump comes in 30, 60, 100 and 300. I went with the 100 since the max PSI for the VV suspension is 72.
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Resending picture using lower resolution
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Manchester, CT | Pictures...sorry for the dups |
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Puddle Jumper
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| I use a Progressive PS100 0-100 PSI pump with zero loss connector.
Made specifically for air shocks. ~$25
Just don't try to pump up a tire with it. It'll just make you tired. Lots of pumping for just a little increase.
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Iron Butt
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | Remember, +/-3% accuracy means full scale. A 100psi gauge will be +/-3psi (6psi total). All shock pumps with the mechanical round gauge have the same accuracy. So, it's not real important to get a high dollar pump because the acurracy of the gauge will be the same as a no-name ebay pump. |
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Iron Butt
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Manchester, CT | Thanks VVT...great point regarding pump accuracy. |
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