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Puddle Jumper
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, FL | Local dealer told me that the E3s made for Victory have thicker sidewalls than E3s purchased elswhere. I looked at the sidewall area close to bead surface and it does say something about made for Victory. This is moulded into the rubber. So I weighed the dealer tire myself with digital scale getting 29.02 lbs (back tire). I called a Jakewilson.com and they told me the E3 back tire they have weighs 20.894 lbs. This is about 8 plbs difference.
The dealer told me that extra strength accounts for price.
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Puddle Jumper
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| I have been buying E3's online for 3yrs,I I get over 20,000 mi of wear on a set without a problem, I keep the pressures at 40 front and 42 rear.I refuse to pay dealer prices. |
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Tourer
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Cottage Grove, Mn | cujo19 - 2013-01-31 6:25 AM
I have been buying E3's online for 3yrs,I I get over 20,000 mi of wear on a set without a problem, I keep the pressures at 40 front and 42 rear.I refuse to pay dealer prices.
Same for me except I also use Dyna-Beads. In fact I have gotten more milage from the tires I got on line then the ones that came with the bike |
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Iron Butt
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Peru, IN | Either your scale is off or Jakewilson.com is wrong. Even if there was more rubber (which I doubt), I can't see an additional 8 pounds. |
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Iron Butt
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | Hmmm, interesting. |
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Prairie City, IA United States | bwhittaker - 2013-01-31 7:03 AM
Local dealer told me that the E3s made for Victory have thicker sidewalls than E3s purchased elswhere. I looked at the sidewall area close to bead surface and it does say something about made for Victory. This is moulded into the rubber. So I weighed the dealer tire myself with digital scale getting 29.02 lbs (back tire). I called a Jakewilson.com and they told me the E3 back tire they have weighs 20.894 lbs. This is about 8 plbs difference.
The dealer told me that extra strength accounts for price.
Anyone else hear this?
I think if you believe your dealer you will be farting smoke for awhile. Make him prove it. |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | sounds a little fishy........ |
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| I will speak directly to Dunlop at the Cincinnati show this weekend and see if I can get clarification for you - Whichever option you chose at least you need to know if there are two different specs ! |
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Central Maryland | Good gawd VIC2020...! We believe that you will! |
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Visionary
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| YOUR DEALER IS FULL OF IT
Victory does not buy enough tires from Dunlop for them to make special tires. The only company that buys enough tires in the world is H-D.
Your dealer is pumping you with hot air
Besides Avon has thicker stiffer side walls |
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Puddle Jumper
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Western Wyoming | cujo19 - 2013-01-31 7:25 AM
I have been buying E3's online for 3yrs,I I get over 20,000 mi of wear on a set without a problem, I keep the pressures at 40 front and 42 rear.I refuse to pay dealer prices.
You're getting 20k on the rear too? I ride 1 up 42r 40f and the best I've gotten on either E3's or Dunlop's 180/65r16 Harley's D408 has been 16k rear and 24k on the front |
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Puddle Jumper
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Colorado | It is all about how hard you ride? Take it easy the tires last, have some fun and ride hard they do not!!
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Cruiser
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | Did this dealer also tell you that when they service your bike they use Victory oil that is better than the oil they sell you in the oil change kit too! LOL Not sure about down south but up North here most of the parts counter jockey's are still wet behind the ears. (18 - 25 y/o) The only time the sidewall thickness has ever become a factor in my riding is when I had a flat tire.
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Cottage Grove, Mn | FarmBoy - 2013-01-31 6:52 PM
It is all about how hard you ride? Take it easy the tires last, have some fun and ride hard they do not!!
Farmboy; I ride pretty hard and have the scares on the tip over?s and floorboards to prove it and still get 20k plus from a set. I believe maintaining tire pressure plays a large role in mileage. I check mine twice a week and run a little extra air in the shock |
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Cruiser
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Tavares, Fl | Ha Ha my local Yammi dealer told me that there are three classes of tires. He gets the class one, best tires, other dealers only get the class two tires, and any tire you buy on theinternet is a class three......... |
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| What a load of crap.....your local Yamaha dealer is so special that he gets "Class 1" tires that no one else gets??? Does he get "class 1" Yamalube and filters that only he can get? K & N air filters that only he has access to? WOW!!! Some dealers will tell you anything!!! |
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DITTO BLACKJACK |
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Iron Butt
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | Actually, tire manufacturers do sort tires before shipment. It is extremely difficult to mold a perfect tire. One issue is side wall thickness uniformity. You can see it on aftermarket tires. The sidewall will have a slight wavey look when viewed in the right light. Another issue is balance. Tires are never balanced well enough without having to add weights. The OEM's want to add as few weights as possible. The best looking, best balanced, etc. tires go to the OEM. The worst go aftermarket. Now that doesn't mean an OEM tire has better performance or is longer lasting. It doesn't really mean anything at all to us. When we replace the tires we might see less than perfectly smooth sidewall or have to add an extra weight when balancing. It does not change a thing from a rideability standpoint.
So, yes, there are different classes of tires. However, they all have the same performance characteristics. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking you should pay more for their tire because it's better than the other guy's of the same brand and model.
Edited by victoryvisiontour 2013-02-01 5:34 PM
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Visionary
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| Just bet your dealer told you to use Victory air cause it is lighter and last longer |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | Yes johnny, victory air is the only air I put in my tires. And they last so much longer! My bike is 100 pounds lighter and I'm getting 50,000 miles per tire!!
Now he's selling me some great land in a place called the Everglades Swamp in Florida. It's supposed to e in high demand. LOL LOL LOL LOL |
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| As an update, Dunlop was absent from the VTwin show this weekend.
But I am researching directly to someone within Dunlop who can accurately answer the question. |
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New user
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| Dunlop makes the E3 in both radial and bias ply - the tread patterns are identical, so unless your dealer, supplier or shop pays close attention to the tire spec when they are ordering your tires, you may end up with the wrong, or mismatched tires on your touring bike. This may explain the price difference for some of you and the "difference" in the sidewalls. |
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Visionary
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| If Dunlop makes the E3 just for victory what do you think they do for the Goldwing. Three times the side wall |
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E3 at Vic dealer have thicker sidewalls from others??