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Dallas, Texas | I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts?
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Grand Cane, LA | So you are wanting to do this so as to save maybe $10 on oil changes? That's about the only benefit I see to trying it. You going to have to change the oil just as often because of the ratio of regular to synthetic, so no benefit there. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | let us know how that works out..........
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Dallas, Texas | Ok, so the more I think about, the more that I think that I will go 4 qts good dino and 0.5 qt full syn. Hmmmmm.... |
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | iluvink - 2013-01-25 7:20 PM I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts? I've been mixing 50/50 for the past 5 oil changes... Don't know why, just sounded good! <grin> |
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Dallas, Texas | JS5Owner - 2013-02-05 10:30 PM
iluvink - 2013-01-25 7:20 PM I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts? I've been mixing 50/50 for the past 5 oil changes...? Don't know why, just sounded good!
Hmmm..so what brands of dino and syn do you use? |
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | iluvink - 2013-02-06 11:38 AM JS5Owner - 2013-02-05 10:30 PM iluvink - 2013-01-25 7:20 PM I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts? I've been mixing 50/50 for the past 5 oil changes...? Don't know why, just sounded good! Hmmm..so what brands of dino and syn do you use?Good ol' Rotella! And yes, both are Jasco-MA, AND (in the voice of Forrest Gump) that is all I'm going to say about that...<grin> |
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| iluvink - 2013-01-25 7:20 PM I have been looking for a better semi syn than Vics. Thinking of mixing 3 qts. dino with 1.5 qts full syns at the next change. Thoughts? Not trying to afend you but do you think you know better then enginers who get paid to come up with the righ specs for oil. Now your going to add 3qts of one oil additive and then add a 1.5qt of anouther and hope they do the same job. I think you need a harley |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | +1 |
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| The synthetic oils have Viscosity Index Inhibitors for achieving the required weight (I.e. 40W) at different temperatures. Mixing Dino and Syn may adversely affect this . Oils are engineered products these days and trying to do alchemy by mixing different types may not be a good idea. You bought a well engineered motorcycle , be kind to it with the recommended oil for longest life. |
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | Synthetic jet turbine engine oils will not mix, if your fleet runs on EXXON 2380 and a quart of AEROSHELL gets added the two seperate like oil and water and never mix, just get foamy in circulation.
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Dallas, Texas | Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though... |
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | iluvink - 2013-02-06 8:26 PM
Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though...
What I'm trying to point out is petroleum based lubricant formulas will not intermix with purely chemically created lubricants and may cause problems up to causing catastrophic failure of the unit using that 'mix'. Like I said, it will be like oil and water it may work volume wise but not on a lubrication level-it's your motor so do what you want up to and possibly including being able to study the crankshaft through the side of the case.
Is all this sciency sorta stuff causing you some grief? |
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | SYNSTR - 2013-02-07 10:05 AM iluvink - 2013-02-06 8:26 PM Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though... What I'm trying to point out is petroleum based lubricant formulas will not intermix with purely chemically created lubricants and may cause problems up to causing catastrophic failure of the unit using that 'mix'. Like I said, it will be like oil and water it may work volume wise but not on a lubrication level-it's your motor so do what you want up to and possibly including being able to study the crankshaft through the side of the case. Is all this sciency sorta stuff causing you some grief? Just to continue this a bit more... I called Shell a while back and asked them why their T-5 wasn't JASO-MA. The T-5 is their semi-syn. The tech, who was really nice and articulate, said that they didn't want to bother with such rating and that besides the dino and T-6 was and that the T-5 was just a blend of both.... So, that is why I have blended them and have had zero issues with them mixing. Now, I'm not claiming to be a chemist... I haven't noticed any "oil and water" type foaming or non-mixing. The oils seem to blend quite well. FWIW |
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Dallas, Texas | JS5Owner - 2013-02-07 12:21 PM
SYNSTR - 2013-02-07 10:05 AM iluvink - 2013-02-06 8:26 PM Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though... What I'm trying to point out is petroleum based lubricant formulas will not intermix with purely chemically created lubricants and may cause problems up to causing catastrophic failure of the unit using that 'mix'. Like I said, it will be like oil and water it may work volume wise but not on a lubrication level-it's your motor so do what you want up to and possibly including being able to study the crankshaft through the side of the case. Is all this sciency sorta stuff causing you some grief? Just to continue this a bit more... I called Shell a while back and asked them why their T-5 wasn't JASO-MA. ?The T-5 is their semi-syn. ?The tech, who was really nice and articulate, said that they didn't want to bother with such rating and that besides the dino and T-6 was and that the T-5 was just a blend of both.... ?So, that is why I have blended them and have had zero issues with them mixing. ?Now, I'm not claiming to be a chemist... I haven't noticed any "oil and water" type foaming or non-mixing. ?The oils seem to blend quite well. ?FWIW
Did the Tech give you any idea of their percentage of dino/syn in the blend? |
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New Brunswick , Canada | Anybody tried this "Castrol Actevo X-Tra 4T Semi Synthetic Oil 10W40 " |
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| what you fall an hit your head?
What do you think your smarter then the engineers. If it was smart to do wouldn't every one be doing this in there cars and boats.
Run a 10/40 and be done with it. |
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Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA | iluvink - 2013-02-07 3:03 PM JS5Owner - 2013-02-07 12:21 PM SYNSTR - 2013-02-07 10:05 AM iluvink - 2013-02-06 8:26 PM Oh boy...Is synthetic jet turbine engine oil, rated JASO MA? Clutch might slip though... What I'm trying to point out is petroleum based lubricant formulas will not intermix with purely chemically created lubricants and may cause problems up to causing catastrophic failure of the unit using that 'mix'. Like I said, it will be like oil and water it may work volume wise but not on a lubrication level-it's your motor so do what you want up to and possibly including being able to study the crankshaft through the side of the case. Is all this sciency sorta stuff causing you some grief? Just to continue this a bit more... I called Shell a while back and asked them why their T-5 wasn't JASO-MA. ?The T-5 is their semi-syn. ?The tech, who was really nice and articulate, said that they didn't want to bother with such rating and that besides the dino and T-6 was and that the T-5 was just a blend of both.... ?So, that is why I have blended them and have had zero issues with them mixing. ?Now, I'm not claiming to be a chemist... I haven't noticed any "oil and water" type foaming or non-mixing. ?The oils seem to blend quite well. ?FWIW Did the Tech give you any idea of their percentage of dino/syn in the blend?No he didn't... It would be interesting to know what the mix is for all the semis. |
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Dallas, Texas | Lojak - 2013-02-07 9:53 PM
Anybody tried this "Castrol Actevo X-Tra 4T Semi Synthetic Oil 10W40 "
I have heard good and bad things about it. Castrol's mc oils, dinos and blends, don't seem to hold up very well. Or at least that what I have found on some other sites. I heard their full syn isn't too bad, though. |
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Calgary, Alberta | Here's a blending thread worth reading
http://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=15235 |
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B'ham, Al. | Semi-syn can be no more than 30% syn per API stds. I checked with Valvoline about mixing them and they said 'absolutely no problem". The Vic. "engineers" that reccommend the Vic oil have to base their choice on one oil that will work satisfactorily in every place their bikes are sold. Quite a bit of temp differences in Minn. & S. Fla. While 20-40 might be satifactory in both, common sense would likely determine that perhaps 10-40 might work better in Minn. and 20-50 better in S. Fla. Just saying.............. |
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Chattanooga, TN | I think it would be better to blend a semi-synthetic with full synthetic oil since there is no evidence that the particular dino oil is in fact be compatible with full synthetic oil. But if it's engine longevity you want as well as extended oil change intervals, you can get a Barnett Racing clutch and use full synthetic Amsoil. Then double your change frequency. I'm jus sayin... |
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| you do know that semi-synthetic will wear out before full synthetic. |
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Chattanooga, TN | Precisely why I advocate using full synthetic oil. However the op wants to mix a custom version of his own extra good oil, better than any manufacturer would make! |
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| Why don't you guys spend more time riding instead of worrying about different oils to run in your Vic. I guess I trust what they recommend and don't plan to change as I have had no problem with Victory Oil. Besides, I will not take a chance of voiding my warranty for an oil. |
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Dallas, Texas | Botein - 2013-02-09 12:44 PM
Here's a blending thread worth reading
http://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=15235
I'll say this about that thread. I have always found it most interesting that when there is a financial interest involved, the recommendation seems to be less than impartial. Amsoil will never recommend mixing their oil with any other oil, anymore than Victory would recommend using HD oil or HD would recommend using Victory oil.
Whatever I decide to do, I won't be using Amsoil in my semi-blend. Shoot, my engine might blow up. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | CC-Rider - 2013-02-10 2:48 PM Why don't you guys spend more time riding instead of worrying about different oils to run in your Vic. I guess I trust what they recommend and don't plan to change as I have had no problem with Victory Oil. Besides, I will not take a chance of voiding my warranty for an oil. +1+!+++++!!!! |
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Rhode Island | Right from the Amsoil literature
MIXING AMSOIL
AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-40 Motorcycle Oil is compatible with conventional and synthetic motor oils;
however, mixing oils may shorten the oil life expectancy and reduce the performance benefits. AMSOIL does not support extended drain intervals where oils have been mixed.
Aftermarket oil additives are not recommended for use with AMSOIL motorcycle oil.
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| CC-Rider - 2013-02-10 4:48 PM Why don't you guys spend more time riding instead of worrying about different oils to run in your Vic. I guess I trust what they recommend and don't plan to change as I have had no problem with Victory Oil. Besides, I will not take a chance of voiding my warranty for an oil. As long as it's a JASO oil your warranty will be fine. |
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Jasper, MO | kris1956 - 2013-02-11 4:18 AM
?As long as it's a JASO oil your warranty will be fine.
As long as it is JASO-MA oil your warranty will be fine. Just because it has JASO-XXX on the bottle doesn't make it automatically good for your bike. JASO is a ratings organization--NOT a rating. JASO-MA is for wet clutch motorcycle use. JASO-DH1 is not. JASO-DH1 is for medium duty diesels, and so on.
There are motorcycle oils out there that have various JASO ratings on the bottle, but are for dry clutch operation, such as those marketed for Harleys and BMWs. Even though they are "motorcycle oil" they are not rated for your wet clutch.
Make sure it has JASO-MA or JASO-MA2.
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Dallas, Texas | Where can you buy ZDDP additves? Auto parts store? |
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Jasper, MO | Why? Are you insane enough to mess with old LBCs too (like me)?
Yes, you can get it at parts stores or online. Online is easier.
Or, just use a specialty oil designed for the old cars with flat tappet cams and/or splash oiling systems http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/gasoline/z-rod-10w-...
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-1594/overview/
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2011/06/02/two-new-engine-oils-b...
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| Just so you know Harley has had a wet clutch since the mid 70's and now days there bikes come with synthetic in motor trans and primary. |
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| rdbudd - 2013-02-11 9:50 AM kris1956 - 2013-02-11 4:18 AM ?As long as it's a JASO oil your warranty will be fine. As long as it is JASO-MA oil your warranty will be fine. Just because it has JASO-XXX on the bottle doesn't make it automatically good for your bike. JASO is a ratings organization--NOT a rating. JASO-MA is for wet clutch motorcycle use. JASO-DH1 is not. JASO-DH1 is for medium duty diesels, and so on. There are motorcycle oils out there that have various JASO ratings on the bottle, but are for dry clutch operation, such as those marketed for Harleys and BMWs. Even though they are "motorcycle oil" they are not rated for your wet clutch. Make sure it has JASO-MA or JASO-MA2. Ronnie I stand corrected, it does need the MA rating. I had forgotten about that. |
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Chattanooga, TN | CC-Rider - 2013-02-10 5:48 PM Why don't you guys spend more time riding instead of worrying about different oils to run in your Vic. I guess I trust what they recommend and don't plan to change as I have had no problem with Victory Oil. Besides, I will not take a chance of voiding my warranty for an oil. Why don't you spend more time minding your own business if you aren't concerned with this post except to tell someone else what they should be doing! Just sayin |
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Northeast Ohio | For you 2008 - 2010 owners, running a Full syn can futz up the readings for the gear indicator on your dash. This is what Victory told my mechanic when mine was acting up. |
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Tavares, Fl | I used pure synthetic in my 01 Yamaha Venture with the wet clutch. Must be why my clutch went out at 86,000 miles, mostly towing a Bunkhouse popup with car tire... |
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| i was one of the unlucky ones that had clucth slippage with the amsoil. onlt under very hard riding. usually 4th, 5th, 6th gears under full throttle is when it would slip. My bike has the VM1 cams and lloydz goodies. I went back to Shell rotella t5 and have had no problems since. I'm sure ther amsoil would be fine if I didnt ride like I do, but that why I ride. |
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Dallas, Texas | I had clutch slippage with my 05 Honda VTX (traded for my Vision), with Amsoil. That and cost is a reason I don't use it in my Vision. There are lots of other Riders/Owners that don't, so I don't know what to say about that. However, I still don't think that Lubetech (i.e. Vic Oil), is the best option either. That's why I am looking to use a 'home brewed' semi-syn. |
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Dallas, Texas | Too bad that Prolong isn't around anymore. I could fill it. Then drain it. And it would run forever. Without oil. LOL |
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Dallas, Texas | Not that anyone really cares, but at my next change I decided to use 3 qts
http://www.penngrade1.com/Products/Motor-Oils/SAE-20W50.aspx
and 1.5 qts, 20W/50..
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=...
I will update as it wears in, as to what the shifting/finding neutral is like, engine tapping and overall performance.
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Dallas, Texas | iluvink - 2013-03-06 10:36 AM
Not that anyone really cares, but at my next change I decided to use 3 qts
http://www.penngrade1.com/Products/Motor-Oils/SAE-20W50.aspx
and 1.5 qts, 20W/50..
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/sectiongenericarticle.do?categoryId=...
I will update as it wears in, as to what the shifting/finding neutral is like, engine tapping and overall performance.
FYI..750 or so miles later, this mix is working perfectly. Quiet, N is easier to find, and no clutch slippage.
Plus my engine hasn't exploded! |
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Prairie City, IA United States | Rotella T6 in the Vision since 5K miles now at 28K. ZERO problems. 27K on the GW ZERO problems. 30K on the wife's CR's (2) ZERO problems. 5,000 mile change intervals with a Wix filter. 1/3 the price of Victory oil JASO-MA rated. What else can I say? |
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