Think there are 10,000 Visions ???
XRsteve
Posted 2013-01-23 8:43 AM (#129943)
Subject: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Visionary

Posts: 2300
Georgia, west of Atlanta
I know it's extremley hard to get any specific numbers from Ma Vic, but do you think there have been 10,000 Visions sold ?? This ( 2013 ) is the 6th model year and 1800 per model year would reach that number. Living in west Georgia I rarely see another Vision out on the road. When I was on my western trip through SD, MT, ID, WY, UT, CA and AZ this past summer I saw maybe 75 Visions besides the giant Victory ride in Sturgis. They seem to be more popular out west...................

Edited by XRsteve 2013-01-23 8:43 AM
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agburmeister
Posted 2013-01-23 9:17 AM (#129944 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 9
Living in the D.C. area, mine is the only Vision I ever see on the road. I thought my KP got a lot of compliments, the Vision has has become a curse with me not being able to run into a store and out as I spend a while in the parking lot talking to people who ask about her.
My wife also chimed in as I was thinking about getting a personalized plate of "MSTRSS" and she said that's wrong as Mistress is cheaper and eventually gets tired of being ridden

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efd158
Posted 2013-01-23 9:54 AM (#129947 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 122
Westchester Co., NY
I live right outside of New York City. It would be extremely rare to see another Vision. But last weekend I was at the New York Bike show and was speaking to one of the vendors. He said when he travels he sees many more Victorys in the Midwest then he sees on the West Coast and especially the East Coast.
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KCVic
Posted 2013-01-23 10:50 AM (#129952 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: RE: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 57
Kansas City, MO
Kansas City area here, and I've seen 4 other Visions fairly regularly; including another Silver/Black like mine.

In fact, when I was at Austin's Victory working on my purchase, there was another guy there on a blue Vision showing off his darkside rear tire; and then another couple leaving the dealership on a black one.

So my count is up to 6 here. Do I win?!
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Monkeyman
Posted 2013-01-23 11:05 AM (#129953 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 1066
Peru, IN
It seems you do. I live in the middle of BFE in northern Indiana but I never see any other Visions. I only know of one more in my general area. Bill (willieh) has a sweet blue '09. I've ridden with him.
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IndyVision
Posted 2013-01-23 11:17 AM (#129955 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Tourer

Posts: 400
Monkeyman,

I live around Kokomo, IN. I think there's about 6 -10 visions I see during the year.
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DrDecay
Posted 2013-01-23 11:28 AM (#129956 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 277
Apopka, FL
I see Visions and XC bikes quite frequently around central FL.
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Nozzledog
Posted 2013-01-23 11:34 AM (#129957 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Visionary

Posts: 1229
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
About a dozen Visions here in SoCal.
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20 10 Vision
Posted 2013-01-23 11:55 AM (#129959 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Tourer

Posts: 430
Often see Visions here in the greater San Fran bay area - probably due to Ness having his store here.
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opas ride
Posted 2013-01-23 12:16 PM (#129960 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Tourer

Posts: 500
Riding locally here in my area of Michigan, I have seen a total of 4 Visions besides mine in 2 years this May....I don't really care as it is okay with me not to be one of the "so-called" crowd......Love my Vision!!!
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Maverick
Posted 2013-01-23 12:19 PM (#129961 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 154
Cabot Arkansas
I live in a small southern state and I see Visions a lot in fact there are 8 visions in our extended riding group
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SYNSTR
Posted 2013-01-23 1:03 PM (#129963 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 785
Mt. Vernon, WASH.
I've encountered 5 or 6 other VISIONS in and around Western Washington in 4 1/2 years of riding mine, mostly on the Freeway. None known locally.
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victoryvisiontour
Posted 2013-01-23 1:34 PM (#129964 - in reply to #129953)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 763
Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis)
Monkeyman - 2013-01-23 12:05 PM

It seems you do. I live in the middle of BFE in northern Indiana but I never see any other Visions. I only know of one more in my general area. Bill (willieh) has a sweet blue '09. I've ridden with him.


I live close to Indianapolis. I have only seen 2 other Visions on Indiana roads in my whole life.
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MaddMAx2u
Posted 2013-01-23 2:37 PM (#129968 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 880
Orlando, FL
I hear a number that was thrown out recently. 2500. Dunno, could be right.....could be wrong. Here's my math on 10,000 5 full model years. 50 states.
10,000 divided by 50 = 200 sold per state over 5 years. Or 40 Vision per state per year. Maybe someone should start a poll. What Region do you live in? NE, SE, Mid West, NW or SW. Might be informative. Seems we'd all like to know how exclusive our little club is~!

And perhaps Jedi Jeff has some numbers. Jeff, do you know how many members ride a Vision?




Edited by MaddMAx2u 2013-01-23 2:38 PM
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willieh
Posted 2013-01-23 3:41 PM (#129969 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 48
huntington In.
I know of one other in town, been told that there is another blue one, haven't seen it though. I have seen maybe 6 on the road while last summer. My kids tell me they have seen serveral in Ft. Wayne, but don't know since I only go there when I have to. Toooo many people.
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Liandra
Posted 2013-01-23 5:58 PM (#129971 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 188
Tifton, GA
I see a few passing through Tifton GA on I-75 sometimes never kept a count. I have seen a Green and Black one in Valdosta GA a couple of times so I think it is a local bike. I bought mine at Polaris of Gainesville and they are probably the reason for a lot Visions in Central FL Great Dealership. When talking the number Visions remember they are not all in the US.
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cw1115
Posted 2013-01-23 6:29 PM (#129974 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Visionary

Posts: 1290
Ruskin, Fl
There are quite a few in the Tampa Bay area. Did a ride a few months ago with about 150 bikes and saw 2 Visions plus mine.
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ByteN2it
Posted 2013-01-23 7:17 PM (#129977 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Tourer

Posts: 482
Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort)
No way- 2,500 would be a closer to what's actually out there -I'd be surprised if they're making more than 500 Visions a year.
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NewVicVision
Posted 2013-01-23 7:56 PM (#129978 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 17
Metro-Detroit Michigan
Considering that I have lived in the Detroit Michigan Metro area for 8 years, I have never seen one locally. However, let the masses look at mine and drool - from a distance!
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JS5Owner
Posted 2013-01-23 10:07 PM (#129980 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 231
Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA
I have a 2009 Ness Vision and it is #150 of ??? 200 ??? 2009 was the first year of the Ness edition. It Vic makes 200 Nessies per year we have 1000 by the end of 2013.
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jjp53
Posted 2013-01-23 10:10 PM (#129981 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 78
Gilroy, Ca
They're getting more and more popular around here in Northern California. I've seen mine plus 4 other Visions
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Monkeyman
Posted 2013-01-23 11:27 PM (#129982 - in reply to #129964)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 1066
Peru, IN
victoryvisiontour - 2013-01-23 2:34 PM

Monkeyman - 2013-01-23 12:05 PM

It seems you do. I live in the middle of BFE in northern Indiana but I never see any other Visions. I only know of one more in my general area. Bill (willieh) has a sweet blue '09. I've ridden with him.


I live close to Indianapolis. I have only seen 2 other Visions on Indiana roads in my whole life.


Oops. I forgot about you. My bad. Spring will be here before long. We need to set up a local Victory ride.
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Monkeyman
Posted 2013-01-23 11:29 PM (#129983 - in reply to #129955)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 1066
Peru, IN
IndyVision - 2013-01-23 12:17 PM

Monkeyman,

I live around Kokomo, IN. I think there's about 6 -10 visions I see during the year.


What town? I actually live on base, south of Peru.
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RedRider
Posted 2013-01-24 6:42 AM (#129988 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Visionary

Posts: 1350
I live in a little tiny town but we are on the way to the RI beaches and close to the 2 biggest casinos. Guys park on the bridge between CT and RI and there is an '08 sitting there many times. I see quite a few of them during the summer months.
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IndyVision
Posted 2013-01-24 11:19 AM (#129998 - in reply to #129983)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Tourer

Posts: 400
Monkeyman - 2013-01-23 11:29 PM

IndyVision - 2013-01-23 12:17 PM

Monkeyman,

I live around Kokomo, IN. I think there's about 6 -10 visions I see during the year.


What town? I actually live on base, south of Peru.


Russiaville
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Monkeyman
Posted 2013-01-24 11:54 AM (#130000 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 1066
Peru, IN
Been there. I was there for a Lodge meeting last fall.
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DarthMonolith
Posted 2013-01-24 1:42 PM (#130003 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 31
Great Mills, MD
We have 3 Visions in our LC in Southern MD and I know at least two others that I have ridden with, one is an 8 ball and the other is a Tour.
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Vision-Marine
Posted 2013-01-25 7:53 AM (#130039 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 65
I live in Fredericksburg VA (About 60 miles south of DC and 60 miles north of Richmond VA). I've owned my vision since July of last year. Prior to that, I had never seen them before. Since I have owned it, I have seen 4 other visions on the road, 1 (all white), I passed 2 miles from my house (you should've saw the look of excitement in his eyes when he saw me on mine), another (midnight cherry like mine) I found out lives within 4 miles of my house. I also passed 1 (SSG (I was in my car)), was on rt 1 about 5 miles away from the house headed the opposite direction on Rt1, and finally a cream/tan on on I95 in Woodbridge (about 25 miles away). There was also a Cream/Tan that was on the Showroom Floor of Coleman Powersport in Woodbridge that sold immediately after the Victory tour in October. Hundreds of bikers in this area communicate in a bikers forum on Facebook and through that forum, I have seen about six other members who claim to ride visions (I've never met them so cant attest to the validity). I have seen pictures of Vision Riders on another local Victory dealer's website in Southern Md http://thekustomshoppe.com/Owners%20Gallery.htm
All in all, I think this area has a decent Vision representation.

Edited by Vision-Marine 2013-01-25 7:56 AM
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dan
Posted 2013-01-25 8:26 AM (#130040 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 18
I live in jefferson city mo. And i know five people that ride visions in the surrounding area, but i have seen at least five more that i havent met.
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Jedi Jeff
Posted 2013-01-25 9:46 AM (#130044 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: RE: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Fountain Inn, SC United States
Remember, if find other Victory Riders in your area and want to start a riding group, you can have your own "Group Page" on the Victory Riders Network for Free. It comes with its own comment wall and forum space.

Just putting it out there for consideration.


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IndyVision
Posted 2013-01-25 11:11 AM (#130045 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Tourer

Posts: 400
To answer the orignal question, I don't think there are.
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johnnyvision
Posted 2013-01-25 6:24 PM (#130072 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Visionary

Posts: 4278
There is a good dozen here in the metropolitan area of Minnesota. As I remember when the first brought the vision out here there was a 100 of them and they sold all of them in two days.
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Godspeed
Posted 2013-01-25 7:29 PM (#130076 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 112
Denver, Iowa
I think there is only 42 total -2012 Ness Visions... 37 of them are 49 state legal and 5 are CARB legal. That's what I read in a mag somewhere.

I've never heard how many 2009 Ness' were produced. Not every dealer got one that year (and there was about 300 dealers according to Ma Vic), but Arlen Ness website said there was less than 200 produced (still vague).

This will be on of the questions I'll have for Victory next month while I'm touring the plant. I might not get a direct answer, but I hope to be pointed to where I can get the right answer.

In the 2 1/2 years I've had my Vision, I've seen about 6 others on the road. And only two were somewhat local. My dealer told me last week that someone from Cedar Rapids, Iowa just bought a used '09 Ness Vision from out east.

Edited by Godspeed 2013-01-25 7:33 PM
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Banjodan
Posted 2013-01-25 8:40 PM (#130080 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 209
maybe Gunnny can tell us exactly how many were produced. I live about 10 miles from dealer in sc. only 2-3 I see locally.
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Banjodan
Posted 2013-01-25 8:40 PM (#130081 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 209
maybe Gunnny can tell us exactly how many were produced. I live about 10 miles from dealer in sc. only 2-3 I see locally.
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jimtom
Posted 2013-01-26 6:21 AM (#130094 - in reply to #130081)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Visionary

Posts: 1308
Sand Rock, AL United States
saw another one for the first time last week. We had left a local restaurant and my wife spotted it . I had to do a u-turn and meet the guy. To see another Vision for me around here is like a big foot sighting or something
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Allaire5
Posted 2013-01-26 6:40 AM (#130096 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 47
I see quite a few south of Boston, probably because of living near Moms, one of the biggest volume dealers in the country.
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XRsteve
Posted 2013-01-26 7:08 AM (#130097 - in reply to #130076)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Visionary

Posts: 2300
Georgia, west of Atlanta
Godspeed - 2013-01-25 7:29 PM

I think there is only 42 total -2012 Ness Visions... 37 of them are 49 state legal and 5 are CARB legal. That's what I read in a mag somewhere.

I've never heard how many 2009 Ness' were produced. Not every dealer got one that year (and there was about 300 dealers according to Ma Vic), but Arlen Ness website said there was less than 200 produced (still vague).

This will be on of the questions I'll have for Victory next month while I'm touring the plant. I might not get a direct answer, but I hope to be pointed to where I can get the right answer.

In the 2 1/2 years I've had my Vision, I've seen about 6 others on the road. And only two were somewhat local. My dealer told me last week that someone from Cedar Rapids, Iowa just bought a used '09 Ness Vision from out east.


Yes, that's a good idea. I was at the Harley engine plant this past August and the guide was proud to tell us they made 500 engines each day Monday through Friday. ( They don't work weeekends ). The numbers won't be anything like that but the pride in their factory production should be. Maybe you'll get an answer...........
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eric frey
Posted 2013-01-27 7:55 PM (#130172 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


New user

Posts: 1
Basehor, KS
I live on the west side of Kansas City and have never actually come across another riding locally. We did talk to another Vision Rider while on a trip down in Arkansas.
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Turk
Posted 2013-01-28 7:21 AM (#130185 - in reply to #130172)
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Iron Butt

Posts: 612
eric frey - 2013-01-27 7:55 PM

I live on the west side of Kansas City and have never actually come across another riding locally. We did talk to another Vision Rider while on a trip down in Arkansas.


Just had my Vision at Kobi's yesterday afternoon. And I'll definitely be out on it today! Probably heading into Desoto and Lawrence.





Edited by Turk 2013-01-28 7:21 AM
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sburkett199
Posted 2013-01-29 3:53 PM (#130247 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 28
Ft Worth Texas
Down here in Ft Worth the Visions are rare. In the event I roll up behind one, I always say damn what a cool bike.
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sburkett199
Posted 2013-01-29 3:56 PM (#130248 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 28
Ft Worth Texas
Down here in Ft Worth the Visions are rare. In the event I roll up behind one, I always say damn what a cool bike. 3 or 4 at most.....
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JS5Owner
Posted 2013-01-29 5:17 PM (#130250 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 231
Desert Hot Springs (Palm Springs area), CA
I just had an idea... regarding the "numbered" bikes like the Ness's... what if Ma Vic skipped a few numbers? I.e. my Nessy is #150 and I know of higher numbered ones BUT did they really make 149 before mine rolled off the line? Just wonder'n...
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donetracey
Posted 2013-01-29 7:22 PM (#130252 - in reply to #129943)
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Visionary

Posts: 2118
Pitt Meadows, BC Canada
SAID IT BEFORE - lots ...

I wish Victory would STOP production of the VISION. I REALLY do wish that!!!

And I also say to you ALL: "Keep customizing - modifying - repainting your Vision - PLEASE! "

WHY? some might ask ...

The answer is: "So that MY completely stock Vision looks like a 'one-off' custom machine never seen before... " SELFISH I am - and proud of it !

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Vinner1
Posted 2013-01-31 8:07 PM (#130344 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: RE: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 266
Hartland, , WI
I haven't seen another Vision while riding in quite some time...or course when I go to work tomorrow the windchill is suppose to be -35. But when it is riding season and I am out and about I have seen two others that I waved to...and I have had mine since September of 08. I do like being special in every way including numerically.
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donetracey
Posted 2013-02-01 12:42 AM (#130348 - in reply to #130344)
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Visionary

Posts: 2118
Pitt Meadows, BC Canada

+++ !!!!

 

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okie vision
Posted 2013-02-01 3:18 PM (#130366 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
so there's really only one way to find out how many.
I'll start..........

One

Next?
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wtwhitelaw
Posted 2013-02-01 5:23 PM (#130371 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 262
Flowery Branch Ga
2
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Don07tncav
Posted 2013-02-01 8:37 PM (#130382 - in reply to #129943)
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Cruiser

Posts: 207
3
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donetracey
Posted 2013-02-01 9:09 PM (#130384 - in reply to #129943)
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Visionary

Posts: 2118
Pitt Meadows, BC Canada

I CAN'T SEE ! I CAN'T SEE !

I have no (new) VISION !

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Rollin'
Posted 2013-02-01 10:35 PM (#130386 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: RE: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 825
, WI

Vision 8-Ball

1

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kris1956
Posted 2013-02-02 4:49 AM (#130388 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 1109
I've seen a few in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area but damned few. My dealer says he sells about six a year.
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okie vision
Posted 2013-02-02 9:10 AM (#130392 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
That was simple.

There are 3 Visions and 1 Vision 8ball.
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Monkeyman
Posted 2013-02-02 9:30 AM (#130393 - in reply to #130392)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 1066
Peru, IN
okie vision - 2013-02-02 10:10 AM

That was simple.

There are 3 Visions and 1 Vision 8ball.


Glad we got that figured out. BTW, your math skills are AWESOME! :D

(Just so you know, I mess with everyone from OK like this. )
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okie vision
Posted 2013-02-02 4:29 PM (#130402 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
Well crap, you chimed in.

4 Visions, 1 Vision 8 ball.....Final answer
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The_Visionary
Posted 2013-02-04 11:19 AM (#130447 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Cruiser

Posts: 51
lakes region, NH
I am from NH and have only seen a few, Even during Bike Week in Laconia!
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SS_Twin
Posted 2013-02-04 6:05 PM (#130461 - in reply to #130447)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 21
Fernandina Beach, Florida
Saw one in Jacksonville on Saturday. 2 up, looked like they were on tour, and not sure if they saw me. I've seen one other on the road in this area since I got mine in November.


I bet there are closer to 2500 total sold (North America) than 10,000.
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James103176
Posted 2013-02-23 11:46 PM (#131264 - in reply to #129943)
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New user

Posts: 3
Independence MO
1... 8 Ball Just picket it up Haven't even had a chance to ride it much. I've seen a few here in the KC Mo area.. 2 maybe 3...
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okie vision
Posted 2013-02-24 9:05 AM (#131271 - in reply to #129943)
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Iron Butt

Posts: 752
Broken Arrow, OK
Congratulations on your new bike, James.
Welcome to the forums
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roundtwig
Posted 2013-02-24 9:18 AM (#131272 - in reply to #129943)
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Cruiser

Posts: 233
flagstaff, AZ
I know there's one in my carport, that's the number that makes me happy.
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bigfoot
Posted 2013-02-25 2:13 PM (#131341 - in reply to #129943)
Subject: Re: Think there are 10,000 Visions ???


Tourer

Posts: 494
Akron Ohio area
Other than group rides, spotting a Vision is a rarity.
I had mine for over 9 months before spotting one locally.
On our group rides we have had as many as 5 show up.
If you want to see a bunch of Visions, go to the AVR in Spirit Lake Iowa this year.
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XRsteve
Posted 2013-02-28 11:34 PM (#131553 - in reply to #129943)
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Visionary

Posts: 2300
Georgia, west of Atlanta
No real answers here, Victory/Polaris sucks when it comes to releasing real sales numbers. Hell they should be proud of their increases in sales over the last few years instead of so secretive. They aren't the Strategic Air Command and no one expects them to catch Harley Davidson. One thing is for sure: there are 2 visions in my garage..........
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