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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Kevin Cameron just posted a picture on FaceBook. The New Indian engine has a one piece crank and side by side rods similar to our Victory freedom engines.........
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hope it's a whopper, like 120 inches.......... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | New Indian: a modern, forged steel, one-piece, plain-bearing crankshaft. You can see the 35-tooth timing wheel on the end that has a missing tooth to identify TDC. A single crankpin accommodates two side-by-side connecting rods. This is a rugged piece.....Kevin Cameron, Cycle World editor. |
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seattle, wa | Knowing Kevin Cameron has a Facebook page is almost enough for me to join! I like reading his column, even if it takes me a few reads to comprehend. |
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Denver, Iowa | This looks like the display that Indian had at the Minneapolis bike show.
BTW, the Indian booth was a very busy place all day on Saturday... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | 1951vbs - 2013-01-19 9:22 PM
It is not an inline 4.
Yeah, it'd need a few more crank journals for that. Guess we'll have another V Twin, Hope it's a big one and maybe DOHC to distinguish it from the Victory engines.......... |
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| It is a push rod engine from what I have heard. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | chesshiretuna - 2013-01-20 11:53 AM
It is a push rod engine from what I have heard.
Damn, I hope not. Waste to have such a nice bottom end with a 1936 inspired top end........... |
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| chesshiretuna - 2013-01-20 11:53 AM It is a push rod engine from what I have heard. I read low 80 horse power and $40 thousand not for me |
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on the edge of Los Angeles | That's almost like showing a picture of a connecting rod...
What it attaches to could be anything.. |
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| johnnyvision - 2013-01-20 7:18 PM
chesshiretuna - 2013-01-20 11:53 AM It is a push rod engine from what I have heard. I read low 80 horse power and $40 thousand not for me
During Scott Wine's (CEO Polaris) interview the other day he specifically mentioned the current $35,000 price of the Indian was too high. I would expect a sub $30,000 price tag. |
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Jasper, MO | I don't remember where I read it, but one of the magazines that announced the new Indian said that pricing would be comparable to HD and Victory. Low 80 horsepower at the wheel would be on par with the stock Victory 106. Maybe Lloyd will take a look at the new Indian motor too.
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New Mexico | rdbudd - 2013-01-21 8:35 AM
I don't remember where I read it, but one of the magazines that announced the new Indian said that pricing would be comparable to HD and Victory.
Ronnie
Local dealer told me the same thing.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I think they are gonna show the whole bike at Daytona Bike Week 2013.........Should be interesting........... |
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Spfld, IL but temp Bay area, CA | Prices for the Indian are out somewhere--base blacked out is 27K up to 38K |
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| GURNZ - 2013-01-22 6:15 PM
Prices for the Indian are out somewhere--base blacked out is 27K up to 38K
I am pretty sure those are the prices for the 2013's that are based off the Kings Mountain Bike. The "new" Indian (2013 1/2-2014?) have not been published yet. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Here's a video of CEO Scott Wine being interviewed on CNBC. He talks about the Indian brand and mentions the engine as well as a iphone app they just released.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/polaris-ceo-indian-motorcycle-show-1...
And a newswire account of INDIAN at the IMS in NY:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/indian-motorcycle-revs-york-motorcycl...
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | The new Indian Motorcycle engine will be revealed during Daytona Beach Bike Week next month. The public is invited to see and hear the actual engine on Saturday, March 9, 2013, at 9 p.m. (EST) at Dirty Harry?s Pub on Main Street in Daytona Beach, Florida. This will be the first place that the public can see and hear the engine that has been in development from a blank sheet of paper for the past two years.
So it's almost here, I'm going down on Monday the 11th so I'll make sure and go see the new engine sometime during BikeWeek........... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Yes, I'll have my camera with me....... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Should be on display on Main Street in Daytona today............ |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Sorry, that will be at 9:00PM tonight......... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Picture on the Indian Facebook site at 9:00 PM................ |
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Barrington, NH | 111" , pushrod motor... |
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seattle, wa | Not much chatter here?
I think it looks great, and has good numbers.
Victory/Polaris knocked it out of the park, the leading up to the reveal was worth it. |
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Independence MO | http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/03/09/exclusive-inside-the-all-new-i... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Looks pretty good I think, similar pushrod and cam arrangement to S&S X wedge engine: Pretty good numbers: Bore and stroke 101mm X 113mm equals out to 111 inches. Narrow angle 49 Degree Vtwin, 2 valve heads ( Pretty big valves ) Intake valves over 2 inches. One 54mm left side fuel injection throttle body with side draft induction. Looks to have very short stiff pushrods. 9.5 to 1 compression. I can see this engine making 90 HP and over 100 ft lbs of torque at the rear wheel stock. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Now that they have a proper engine I hope they put it in a full touring rig.............. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | http://youtu.be/wx4XcWGgOyU
Nice Video from Indian on the Thunderstroke 111............... |
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| I'm pretty excited about this beautiful motor. 115 TQ! |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Double Vision - 2013-03-10 7:34 AM
I'm pretty excited about this beautiful motor. 115 TQ!
Me too, now I hope they put it in a variety of platforms, one being a full blown touring rig with all the goodies like massive storage space, cruise control and a jammin stereo............... |
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New Mexico | Beautiful! Thanks for sharing.
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| Very nice, hope I can afford one. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | A few pics:
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| As someone said earlier, Polaris really hit it out of the park with this engine. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | You can see classic Polaris/Victory design features on the engine mounting points........ |
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Lansing, MI |
I see some Victory in there... One piece engine/trans combo, oil cooler, drive cover...... LOOKS NICE!
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Lansing, MI |
111 is weird though... BUT, kinda cool too....
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SF Bay Area | cook06vegas - 2013-03-10 10:18 AM
111 is weird though... BUT, kinda cool too....
It is bigger than a 110... |
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Lansing, MI | buddahead - 2013-03-10 8:13 PM
cook06vegas - 2013-03-10 10:18 AM
111 is weird though... BUT, kinda cool too....
It is bigger than a 110...
Yup, by 1 cubic inch...
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, FL United States | Wow... |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | That motor is beautiful!!! Sorry, engine. My dad always corrects me , says motors are electric lol! |
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Sturbridge, Mass | cook06vegas - 2013-03-10 8:39 PM
buddahead - 2013-03-10 8:13 PM
cook06vegas - 2013-03-10 10:18 AM
111 is weird though... BUT, kinda cool too....
It is bigger than a 110...
Yup, by 1 cubic inch...
Maybe the 111 was a nod to the year that Polaris bought Indian and the Original Indian ? 1901- 2012=111 |
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Lansing, MI |
Hmm, that's an interesting theory. I like it!
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I'm just home from Daytona, the Indian engine looked and sounded very good. But not as good as my ole 08 Vision. I ran it on the Wyotec dyno in the Brute HorsePower Shootout, spun it up to 6000 rpm. I was in third place in the 105-128 cu inch domestic class when I last checked Friday evening.............. Oh yeah 114.64HP with 29,000 miles................. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | One more thing Ma Polaris spent a bundle advertising Indian, stuff from free bottle openers to 40' X 20' banners were all over Mainstreet and Front Street and Destination Daytona ( Rossmeyers ) and the Speedway too................The running engine was at Destination Daytona. |
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Lansing, MI | XRsteve - 2013-03-16 7:20 PM
I'm just home from Daytona, the Indian engine looked and sounded very good. But not as good as my ole 08 Vision. I ran it on the Wyotec dyno in the Brute HorsePower Shootout, spun it up to 6000 rpm. I was in third place in the 105-128 cu inch domestic class when I last checked Friday evening.............. Oh yeah 114.64HP with 29,000 miles.................
Good job on the 3rd place finish, that's BA! Do you know what took 1st and 2nd?
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Saturday was the finals so I don't know the last results. Maybe on the Wyotec website ?? I did see a 299 HP turbo Harley and a 491 HP turbo Busa. I also saw a completely stock 2013 ZX-14 that made 198HP.......In my class ( 105 to 128 cu inch ) there was a 145HP HD followed by another 139HP Harley, both were 124 inch engines I think.......... |
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Memphis | Was blabbering on at work about the Indian 111 to one of my old H-D buddies. He Googled an article and looked at the pictures. "Thunderstroke. Cool name!" I was going on about how shocked I was at how old-school the motor looked. Parallel pushrods, 3-cams, down-firing exhaust, blah-blah-blah...  He looked at it and said "Yeah, looks like they stole that look from the S&S X-Wedge." (A motor that a LOT of Harley guys really like.) 
I said, "Well, if I had to guess, S&S got their inspiration from the 1940 Chief motor." and I pulled up some photos... 
Dead silence................. (I LOVE these guys!) |
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| Too funny, I need to remember that. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | An Indian tech told me the engine makes 115 lbs of torque measured at the transmission pulley @ 2500 rpm. So I asked how much at 5000 rpm?? Said he couldn't say under pain of death, Haha. Guess he knew I knew the 5252 conversion. Hahahaha............I'm guessing EPA 85-90 RWHP.. |
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Jasper, MO | Considering what Lloyd was able to do to improve the Victory 106's EPA tune---maybe a 120 HP stock block Indian 111 is in the future? (110 Ft/LBS @ 5750 RPM)
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | rdbudd - 2013-03-17 12:39 PM
Considering what Lloyd was able to do to improve the Victory 106's EPA tune---maybe a 120 HP stock block Indian 111 is in the future? (110 Ft/LBS @ 5750 RPM)
Ronnie
I'm sure someone is already looking on how to hot rod the beast.......... |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | XRsteve - 2013-03-17 3:50 PM
rdbudd - 2013-03-17 12:39 PM
Considering what Lloyd was able to do to improve the Victory 106's EPA tune---maybe a 120 HP stock block Indian 111 is in the future? (110 Ft/LBS @ 5750 RPM)
Ronnie
I'm sure someone is already looking on how to hot rod the beast..........
And I'll bet he lives in Pine Bush, NY! |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I bet he does too....... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I hope Polaris learned from these years of building Victory engines that a nice ( easy ) slip on big bore kit would be a good sales item for the dealerships and the company.......... |
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Jasper, MO | XRsteve - 2013-03-18 10:49 AM
I hope Polaris learned from these years of building Victory engines that a nice ( easy ) slip on big bore kit would be a good sales item for the dealerships and the company..........
They offered a factory 100 inch kit for the early 92 inch motors...........
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | If the bikes are as nice as the engine, there will be alot sold........ Polaris has a big plan........ |
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Memphis | I don't care how jaded you are about the convoluted history Indian, that Thunderstroke 111 makes an incredible statement about how serious Polaris is to do this thing right. I have no doubt that the design team will do the brand proud with the rest of the bike. Things happen for a reason and now that my '08 Vision is history, I can see myself jumping on a first year Polaris Indian. Owning a Vision in 2007 was unreal. No one had ever seen one before. Owning one of the first Indians with that motor in it would be cool. I just happen to be forced into retirement next summer so it looks like the planets could be lining up for another cool chapter in my life story. Just sayin..... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | SongFan - 2013-03-21 11:23 AM
I don't care how jaded you are about the convoluted history Indian, that Thunderstroke 111 makes an incredible statement about how serious Polaris is to do this thing right.? I have no doubt that the design team will do the brand proud with the rest of the bike. Things happen for a reason and now that my '08 Vision is history, I can see myself jumping on a first year Polaris Indian.? Owning a Vision in 2007 was unreal.? No one had ever seen one before.? Owning one?of the first Indians with that motor in it would be cool.? I just happen to be forced into retirement next summer so it looks like the planets?could be?lining up for another cool chapter in my life story.? Just sayin.....
I was one of the jaded Indian non believers, but seeing the new engine in person changed my mind. I believe Polaris will make this work...There will be 3 major American made motorcycle manufacturers to choose from starting this summer.........Haven't had that since when ?? The 1930's ??
Edited by XRsteve 2013-03-21 11:34 PM
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Jasper, MO | Cushman lasted until 1965. The short lived (and amazing) Crockers lasted until 1941. Other than them, all the majors were done by the 30's except Harley, which was saved by government contracts. The others all succumbed to the bad economy and war time material shortages. Not counting the later boutique makers like Boss Hoss, Big Dog, Ridley, etc and the failed attempts of revival like Excelsior-Henderson and Indian.
Indian is back to stay this time, I think.
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| I'm curious about the bike, I love the new engine and if the bikes half as nice then I might have to get one. |
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| If you guys are considering a new Polaris Indian be prepared to shell out a significant amount of coin. Polaris has previously announced that they are keeping the pricing of the former Moorhead, NC Indian operation and a simple Indian Chief Classic started at $26,499 and went all the way up to $37,899 for the Indian Chief Vintage LE.
I guess Polaris has found the motorcycle brand equivalent to the H-D CVO line in order to complement their Victory line.
Now, if things change and they price things more reasonably, say around $15K to $16K to start I would say that they will end up selling A LOT of Indians for the first 4 to 5 years until people get over the novelty of it.
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Jasper, MO | That was for the hand built carryover models that Polaris assembled, in the temporary building across the street from the factory, out of the parts boxes they got in the buyout. They have since said that the new Polaris designed production line models coming from the main plant will be competitively priced with Harley and Victory.
I can dream, can't I?
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Nice write up by Kevin Cameron in May 2013 Cycle World Magazine. Very informative from a really smart guy............ |
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Lindale, TX | I may not be able to afford the 2014 Indians, but I am eager to see them. The indian dealer network is so small I am wondering if Victory dealers will honor warranty service until these bikes take off? |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I'm hoping most Victory dealers will be selling Indians too.......... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | XRsteve - 2013-03-16 6:20 PM
I'm just home from Daytona, the Indian engine looked and sounded very good. But not as good as my ole 08 Vision. I ran it on the Wyotec dyno in the Brute HorsePower Shootout, spun it up to 6000 rpm. I was in third place in the 105-128 cu inch domestic class when I last checked Friday evening.............. Oh yeah 114.64HP with 29,000 miles.................
Hey !!! my run held third place, got a trophy in the mail today from Wyotec and a $100.00 gift certificate good towards any dyno jet product.......That's funny and cool at the same time.  |
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