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Land O Lakes, FL | So it's time for tires on the vision. They lasted me exactly 6 months and 12,500 miles for the stock E3's. definitley a good tire and that's the most mileage I ever got out of a rear tire, especially on any Goldwing I've owned. Interestingly the front E3 is just as whooped as my rear not that I'm complaining since I'm the kinda guy that changes both anyway (just don't want to take the chance). They do have a tiny bit of life left but not much they are both into the wear bars and cupped pretty good. And yes I monitor tire pressure religiously.
I ordered a set of the Bridgestones g709 front and g7 something for the rear (same as the wing). They do have a higher load rating than the Dunlops and have a sharper profile for more responsiveness and quicker turn in. I've run them on the wings and loved them. The ride quality is great. I'm interested to see how they do on the Vision. Since it rides and handles similar to the wing I imagine all the good stuff I loved about them will translate to this bike too.
We will find out on Saturday when I head in to have them mounted up. Picked them up from our friends at DLP for $285 shipped to my door. That's about $55 cheaper than the E3's which isnt bad. I always love new rubber it's like riding a new bike all over again!
So what have you guys/gals been seeing?
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Central Maryland | Good to hear that you attained some good wear and mileage on the E3's... I've currently have 9,100 miles on my stock E3's and they really look like they could go another 9,000 miles... but I know they wear quicker as time goes on. I monitor my tire pressure fanatically as well; am running 42psi in the rear and 40psi in the front. |
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Cottage Grove, Mn | 20,000 front and rear . I run 41 front 42 rear 35 lbs in the shock one up and Dyna-beads. Wouldn't run any other tire. |
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Broken Arrow, OK | save another 20 bucks here, lol
http://www.directlineparts.com/product.asp?pid=6688&str=4 |
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Orlando, FL | Oh, here we go again with tires and how many miles. Do you get better handling and mileage out of your tires if you stick with Victory Oil?
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Prairie City, IA United States | MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-02 11:37 AM
Oh, here we go again with tires and how many miles. Do you get better handling and mileage out of your tires if you stick with Victory Oil?
Let me wipe that little bit of sarcasm off your lip. Might as well be tires since the forum is a bit slow these days.  |
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| Blackjack...Seems like 35psi in the rear shock is an awful lot for riding one-up...I weigh about 190lbs and ride with 20psi and ride seems fine...Tried higher and thing bounced like a hard rock over bumpy roads...I do run about the same tire pressures as most and so far so good...Just curious?? |
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Land O Lakes, FL | I do a lot of slab and straight road riding. The tires have tons of tread on the sides but the center is flat and wore out. I run 41 psi rear and 39psi front. I'm running the rear shock at about 20psi one up and 50psi two up seems to be magic. I would think at 20k miles on a rear chords would be showing that's some pretty incredible mileage. |
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Orlando, FL | lstayner - 2012-11-02 1:50 PM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-02 11:37 AM
Oh, here we go again with tires and how many miles. Do you get better handling and mileage out of your tires if you stick with Victory Oil?
Let me wipe that little bit of sarcasm off your lip. Might as well be tires since the forum is a bit slow these days.
Seems we've moved to rear shock pressure! Things really are slow.Stll, I wonder if you need as much pressure in your rear shock if you run Amsoil 10w40? Just Wonderin'
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New Bohemia, VA | well, if no one else will say it, I will. If you go darkside it will cost you under a $100 per tire, once, and you'll never have to worry about tire mileage, ever. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | Well I never get tired of talking motorcycles...even if it is tires.
I changed the first set of E3s at 15k. They looked to me like they had many more miles left on them. The only reason I changed them was because we were going on a trip. I put on another set of E3s.
With this set, I decided I would wait until the tires told me they needed replaced. I am currently over 23k on this set and they are telling me to replace them. The corner handling capability has diminished.
So, now I know I can run the E3s much farther than 15k, but somewhere between 20k and 23k they lose their handling characteristics for me.
I know I can go dark side and use expensive oil, but where is the reward in that when everyone else is already doing it. I think I will put another 5k on these E3s and stay with SuperTech. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | I'm noticing a trend, people living in colder climates seem to get longer life from their tires. Riding around SoCal in 110 degree weather most of the time, my E3 rear only lasted 13.5k and front 16k. This was one of my concerns when I put a wintersport CT on the back, it may be too soft for the hot asphalt. I'm at 17k on it now and it looks like it only has about 3-4k left. So that's only about a 150% tread life from a stock E3. At 1/2 the price of a E3, that's only a 3X savings. |
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New Bohemia, VA | victoryvisiontour - 2012-11-03 12:05 AM Well I never get tired of talking motorcycles...even if it is tires.   There you have it. There's always something about the ride, so keep riding. I've stopped checking my "mileage" I get on my tires, but my average seems to be 13,000 on the rear and 22,000 on the front. Im almost ready for a new rear tire and I ponder to go a different tire every time, but always have gone with the E3s. Maybe I just don't know what I'm missing, but then again, I don't want to miss what I've got...
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Prairie City, IA United States | Nozzledog - 2012-11-02 11:51 PM
I'm noticing a trend, people living in colder climates seem to get longer life from their tires. Riding around SoCal in 110 degree weather most of the time, my E3 rear only lasted 13.5k and front 16k. This was one of my concerns when I put a wintersport CT on the back, it may be too soft for the hot asphalt. I'm at 17k on it now and it looks like it only has about 3-4k left. So that's only about a 150% tread life from a stock E3. At 1/2 the price of a E3, that's only a 3X savings.
You bring up a very good point about road temps and tire wear. Maybe you could try a harder compound tire and see if it makes a difference in wear. The downside I see is that you might give up a little handling if your heat theory doesn't pan out.
I know that I will be changing the Avon Venom front out whether it needs it or not when I get a new rear tire. It is just to hard for the roads temps I typically ride in. I will most likely go back to an E3 on front. |
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Land O Lakes, FL | Heat in the tire has a lot to do with longevity. It's hot in FL and you can boil an egg most days year round on the pavement. The hotter the tire runs the more wear you get. I could see running in cooler areas would extend tire life. Even concrete is cooler than asphalt and we have a lot of asphalt. No way my front tire would make 20k riding here, heck it was as smoked as the rear.
And why not a discussion about tires? As long as its civilized and people like to hear about other riders experiences. Isn't that the point of a forum? Sure seems like a lot of complainers lately.
Anyway new Stones are on. Just getting them scuffed in and run in. Did some circles in the street and a couple twisty roads real quick. Handling is definitely sharper than E3's bike tips in a little easier. I'll get some miles on them and see how they do over the next 10-12k. I did like the E3's very much never gave me a cause for worry and handling was always very neutral and predictable. Time will tell
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Cottage Grove, Mn | MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-02 4:22 PM
lstayner - 2012-11-02 1:50 PM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-02 11:37 AM
Oh, here we go again with tires and how many miles. Do you get better handling and mileage out of your tires if you stick with Victory Oil?
Let me wipe that little bit of sarcasm off your lip. Might as well be tires since the forum is a bit slow these days.
Seems we've moved to rear shock pressure! Things really are slow.Stll, I wonder if you need as much pressure in your rear shock if you run Amsoil 10w40? Just Wonderin'
The man asked a simply question If your only contribution is sarcasm why bother?? |
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Orlando, FL | Blackjack - 2012-11-04 5:40 AM
The man asked a simply question If your only contribution is sarcasm why bother??
Blackjack, I would explain it to you but I am all out of puppets and crayons~
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Westchester Co., NY | My rear was cupped badly enough at 7500 miles that I had it replaced while the bike was in for some other work. There was plenty of tread left though. I run in the northeast even during winter so heat should not have been an issue. Pressure is checked regularly. I have heard that rebound can have an effect on tire life. I don't know how you adjust rebound on an air shock except for shock pressure itself. I do tend to ride with it on the stiff side as I normally ride solo but have the pressure set up between proper solo weight and proper two-up weight. Around 35 PSI. Do you think that has something to do with much premature wear rate? |
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Cottage Grove, Mn | MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-04 10:38 AM
Blackjack - 2012-11-04 5:40 AM
The man asked a simply question If your only contribution is sarcasm why bother??
Blackjack, I would explain it to you but I am all out of puppets and crayons~
Just as I thought you sit around playing with puppets and crayons all day.. |
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Land O Lakes, FL | efd158 - 2012-11-04 12:54 PM
My rear was cupped badly enough at 7500 miles that I had it replaced while the bike was in for some other work. There was plenty of tread left though. I run in the northeast even during winter so heat should not have been an issue. Pressure is checked regularly. I have heard that rebound can have an effect on tire life. I don't know how you adjust rebound on an air shock except for shock pressure itself. I do tend to ride with it on the stiff side as I normally ride solo but have the pressure set up between proper solo weight and proper two-up weight. Around 35 PSI. Do you think that has something to do with much premature wear rate?
It might, I know we have no rebound settings to even adjust so that's all we get. I know cupping is still a big problem on big touring bikes. The Wingers have the same issues and battle it all the time. While many say Dynabeads and Centramatics seem to help by providing a better balance the jury is still out for me. I get mine balanced the old fashioned way and they are smooth as glass so who knows... I've read of guys getting 20k with dyna beads and then someone else will chime in and say they only got 10k with beads but got 15k out of centramtics. Just hard to tell.
I run my rear shock about 20psi (I'm 200lbs) and that gives me the best ride and tire life seems ok. I've been changing tires out on my touring bikes at 10k for years so to go 12k on these was really nice. I hope I get another 12k out of the stones. We'll see how the cupping goes as well.
Has anyone done Nitrogen in there tires? Some guy at the Harley dealer we stopped at had a tent setup and was trying to sell everyone on it. |
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Middleburg, Fl. | 16,500 on the original E3's and they are about ready to change. Center is good, sides are worn more, especially the left side. |
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Iowa | I'm just shy of 12,000 and still have good tread on the tires. But thanks for posting, because it made me go out and double check. |
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Peru, IN | lstayner - 2012-11-03 8:11 AM
I know that I will be changing the Avon Venom front out whether it needs it or not when I get a new rear tire. It is just to hard for the roads temps I typically ride in.
Could be the first time in my life I've ever heard someone say "hard" and "Avon" in the same sentence. Every Avon I've ever had felt like I was glued to the road. Like riding on gummy bears. The E3 is a good tire, but there's no way it's stickier than an Avon. |
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Peru, IN | PhantomX - 2012-11-04 8:42 PM
Has anyone done Nitrogen in there tires? Some guy at the Harley dealer we stopped at had a tent setup and was trying to sell everyone on it.
Nitrogen has it's advantages but not enough to pay for it. If whomever changes my tires next wants to fill them with nitrogen for FREE, I'd gladly take it. If I have to pay for it, regular air will do just fine. |
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Cottage Grove, Mn | Nitrogen has it benefits in the racing world but beyond that it?s pretty much a waste of money.
Before it can be a real benefit to the tire must be completely evacuated of all ambient air to insure all the moisture is gone. All the readily available nitrogen machines today claim to make three or four exchanges of the ambient air and this will not remove all the moisture from the tire.
Then there are the issues of having to top off your tire pressure. Once you add air from the local service station any benefit of the nitrogen is gone.
If you have a home compressor you are just as well off to install two inline water filters and whenever possible top off from home.
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Blackjack - 2012-11-04 3:40 AM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-02 4:22 PM
lstayner - 2012-11-02 1:50 PM
MaddMAx2u - 2012-11-02 11:37 AM
Oh, here we go again with tires and how many miles. Do you get better handling and mileage out of your tires if you stick with Victory Oil?
Let me wipe that little bit of sarcasm off your lip. Might as well be tires since the forum is a bit slow these days.
Seems we've moved to rear shock pressure! Things really are slow.Stll, I wonder if you need as much pressure in your rear shock if you run Amsoil 10w40? Just Wonderin'
The man asked a simply question If your only contribution is sarcasm why bother??
exactly! I love that anyone post here as it is pretty dead most of the time. It's like some want the forum to be silent and dead. I love to hash and rehash all things bike. I know tires have been talked about several times before but I forget and I hate the search function so I'm glad topics resurface from time to time. If I have to be at work , this forum is a good filler (when it's active) when there is a lull in my workplace tasks.
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Orlando, FL | I've heard all the supposed pluses, but have yet to see any hard evidence. I'm not convinced that 100% nitrogen is an advantage. Yea, I know, it's a bigger molecule etc. etc. But as Blackjack correctly points out.....it's questionable that you can attain 100% in your tire. Furthermore, "air" in our atmosphere is 78% Nitrogen, 21 % oxygen and 1% other gases. Just sayin'
I'm really not convinced that another 20% nitrogen makes any difference at all. Just remember when you buy nitrogen, the first 78% you got was free! LOL
Oh, and Blackjack, nice comeback. Not great, but nice. LOL
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Assuming 78% Nitrogen(N2) / 21% oxygen(O2) and that it's the O2 that seeps out, then when your tire pressure drops from 40psi to 32 psi, all the O2 is gone leaving only the N2. Now when you top off the tire with air, your are now at 94% N2 / 5% O2. By the 3rd top off with air, you are at 99% N2. |
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Land O Lakes, FL | I've read much of the same research and I'm not convinced either, was just curious if anyone actually did it and if they noticed anything different.
I'm very much enjoying the Bridgestones and feel they are a great and less expensive alternative to the E3's which are a bit pricey.
Oh and I did order mine from DLP for $285, but because I'm in FL I had to pay the sales tax :-( but I did get them in one day with free shipping so that's something positive I guess... |
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Central Maryland | I do believe that the only advantage of nitrogen to tires is that nitrogen will not permeate through the rubber as easily as oxygen, due to the larger size of the nitrogen molecules. |
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Peru, IN | There are other advantages. It won't expand as much when it gets warm and it doesn't tend to eat either rubber or steel (like in the tires belts). None of the advantages are worth anything on a street driven vehicle. If someone wants to fill up my tires with nitrogen for free, I'm all for it. I wouldn't pay even a buck for it, though. |
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Bullhead City, AZ | The first set of E3 went 13k most of the riding was in North Dakota. Iput the 4th set of tires on at 28500. 2 sets of tires in 15000 always check the air but the AZ heat just eats them up. Last rear tire went dark side have over 3000 on it and other than stopping faster at slow speed can't tell the diffference. I liked the E3 and if this tire gets eaten by the heat I may go back to them. For now I am happy with the Potenza. |
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Tavares, Fl | It was great reading this thread. I didn't keep my 08 Vision long enough to worry about tires. My stratoliner ate tires, four sets in 22,000 miles so I went darkside on the rear. If I can get 10000 miles on a rear tire on the Vision I'll be happy.... |
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How many miles did you get?