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New Bohemia, VA | sheeeesh...please, other than being cheap and lazy what's the advantage...oh yeah, I furgaugt...run-flat... |
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| varyder - 2012-09-27 6:45 PM
sheeeesh...please, other than being cheap and lazy what's the advantage...oh yeah, I furgaugt...run-flat...
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Broken Arrow, OK | varyder - 2012-09-27 6:45 PM
sheeeesh...please, other than being cheap and lazy what's the advantage...oh yeah, I furgaugt...run-flat...There's the good ole' Virginia I've come to love and know. For awhile there, you had softened and were using big words like "inexpensive" and such and "if I went to Alaska". Nice to see cheap and lazy return. Stick to your guns! |
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| I don't care for this song I could see myself doing 120 mph jammingto this Yea its a very Bad song. |
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Tucson, AZ | OK Chris, I know you are respected poster here and I certainly appreciate the good information you share with us fellow Victory riders. That being said, I take exception with your comments about us Dark Siders being lazy and cheap. I am retired with a nice pension and Social Security and my wife has a good job as well. Money is not a problem. As far as being lazy, not real sure what you mean by the comment, I've never been accused of being lazy after working in sales for over thirty years with half my income based upon commission. I simply feel safer with a car tire on the back of my ride. This is my third car tire, two on my previously owned Honda Valkyrie and one on my Vision. I've got close to 45,000 miles total with not one negative experience. Better rear braking, better traction in the rain, and yes the run flat insurance just to name a couple of advantages I experience. I have searched high and low to find any situation where a car tire caused a death, let alone an accident on a motorcycle. In closing we're all entitled to our opinions and if you don't feel comfortable on one, then don't have one put on.
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Bullhead City, AZ | After all the whining I here against the darkside I put a potenza on about 1200 miles ago. Damn thing stops on a dime. tried to skid at slow spee wet surface almost went over the handle bars. Went through the twistys around Kernville wife asked that I slow down as she was getting car sick. Corners are not a problem. The speedometer is off 4 mph at 84 mph the GPS says 80 but the E3 was off 2 mph at the same speed. I have some anxietywhenI do high speed corners because of all the gloom and doom I have heard from none darksiders. Nothing has happened yet. I remember the fist time I scraped the bike on a corner with an E3 same anxiety when the floorboards get close to the ground I pull my toes up waiting for the scrape. The back does not jump around as much on ground concrete as the E3. I think as the newness of having a CT on back wears off I will forget that it is even on. Right now I am looking for problems and differences but I am very satisfied with it now. As far as being cheap how cheap is the thrush mod and if engineers get everything right why are there recalls . |
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Halifax, NS | I ran DS on my C90 Everyone said I was crazy. But you have to try it before you can crap on it. It worked good for me and lasted a long time. And the braking is much better than a MC tire. I could scrape the boards with the car tire never a slip or wiggle. If you do a lot of straight long haul highway runs a car tire cant be beat. |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | I put on a CT and was VERY disappointed. I was absolutely positive it could NOT handle anything like a MT designed by experts just for motorcycles, but was I wrong. It defies logic, but so does a bumblebee.
Yesterday was another beautiful SoCal day for riding, so I put on my Nomex britches and hit Glendor Ridge Road. Again, very disappointed. After all my preperations, the damned thing didn't explode!
I've only got about 5000 miles left on it, and can't wait to see what the inside sidewalls look like when I take it off. I'm. SURE they will be all mangled and I won't believe how close I came to death. (I feel another disappointment coming on)
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| Just joined the darkside on wednesday. I will try most things once, and twice if I like it. And I like it.
Hey gray, can you post a pic of the battle ax on the front. I'm concerned about the clearance between the tire and the fender. I heard that all tires of this size are not the same, someone lost a fender. But as I remember the battleax is the way to go...
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | 140/70 rear Battlax fits, 140/70 front Metzeler does NOT! It was me who rubbed a hole in my fender. I think you can get away with the Battlax not rubbing in the same size because it is a rear tire and a little flatter thru the middle. Specs show a 1/2" height difference between the two.
What was the reason for putting a rear tire on the front again? Will a bias rear tire last as long/longer than a radial front tire? Are they stronger? Cheaper?
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| +1 on all the posative's. I feel safer in the curves. Safer stopping in all conditions. Safer in the grass & sand & rocks. Get a better ride. Safe with a flat tire, put a hole in one with a road hazard, all I felt was like it was just low.Bridgestone G019 Potenza 185/65-16 (I have a trailer hitch. Got my start with car tire on a 650 Burgman, couldn't take a trip without haveing to change a rear tire or haveing to change it while out on a trip. I like to do miy on work. Then in Kansa City I got cut of in traffic on the interstate, Hard braking & excellent rear tire traction saved my life! Never be with out one again. |
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Tucson, AZ | What nozzledog said about the Battleax. I do not plan on running backwards as what I've read it doesn't seem to make any difference. Living in southern AZ, we don't get much rain so the tread pattern directing water shouldn't make much of a difference. |
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Virginia Beach, VA | So what do I have to do to a Stock Vision to switch to the Darkside?
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Virginia Beach, VA | So what do I have to do to a Stock Vision to switch to the Darkside?
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Virginia Beach, VA | So what do I have to do to a Stock Vision to switch to the Darkside?
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Virginia Beach, VA | So what do I have to do to a Stock Vision to switch to the Darkside?
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Virginia Beach, VA | Sorry clicked Submit a couple of times....
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New Mexico | No Modification required.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | varyder - 2012-09-27 4:45 PM sheeeesh...please, other than being cheap and lazy what's the advantage...oh yeah, I furgaugt...run-flat...
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Shorter stopping distances
Smoother ride
Better rain management
Less down time
Fewer times disassembed = Less chance for mistakes
1/3 the price for 3 times the mileage
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Boots - 2013-04-28 7:35 PM IMHO - Shorter stopping distances Smoother ride Better rain management Less down time Fewer times disassembed = Less chance for mistakes 1/3 the price for 3 times the mileage Ha Ha Ha Ha - damn, you 'geniuses' are funny ! Thanks for the laugh .... ROFLOL You forgot to mention the better fuel mileage with CTs .... LOL - KILLS me .... But I'll stick to real tires - especially in my mountainous riding. Never saw a bike in 53 years in a showroom with CTs. Wonder why ???? Maybe guys with CTs don't know HOW to ride ???? So many questions - sigh ... Like 'BRAKING' - how does a CT make for better braking when 70+ % of that is done with FRONT tire ???? ... at least by people who know HOW to ride. I think it's all about being CHEAP. Or maybe just providing amusement! Yeah - that's it !!! |
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Central Maryland | Ummm... Don. there's more contact patch with a CT -vs- a MC tire. Less likely for it to skid out in a braking event. Real riders know how to use the rear brake in conjunction with the front brake; to assist overall braking. |
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Peru, IN | donetracey - 2013-04-28 11:28 PM
Never saw a bike in 53 years in a showroom with CTs.
You don't get out much, do you? There are a few bike that have come with car tires, STOCK. The biggest name that comes to mind is Boss Hoss but there are others. Do your homework before you post.
I'll run a CT on my next tire change. If you don't want to, don't. No need to make fun of those of us who make that choice. We don't make fun of your love of pretty tulips, do we?
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New Bohemia, VA | There is not doubt specialty bikes like Boss Hoss come with some sort of car tire. Personally, I've never knew of or seen a standard touring bike, cruiser or sports bike come with a car tire. There is no empirical data that I've ever seen that supports car tires are better on a motorcycle than a motorcycle tire. With the amount of miles I put on yearly I felt I was a candidate for a CT so I read as much as I could about it. There was one thing I was not willing to give up, how the bike feels and handles. That was the game changer for me because not even the "experts" said it handled better. They have all said it is different, and you will "get used to it". This tells me it takes away the one thing that I don't want to give up. The more I studied this the more it became evident why one wants to use a car tire, utility. Longer life and less costly. Every other argument I've heard also does not sell over me either. On my E3s I've never had problems stopping or riding in the rain. I just broke my promise about never saying anything about a car tire, but I stand with Don and respect his passion for the ride. |
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| willtill - 2013-04-29 5:11 AM
Ummm... Don. there's more contact patch with a CT -vs- a MC tire. Less likely for it to skid out in a braking event. Real riders know how to use the rear brake in conjunction with the front brake; to assist overall braking.
A larger contact patch does not equate to better grip by itself. 500 lbs of weight sitting on the tire is the same coefficient of friction whether it's distributed across 2 square inches or 5 square inches. Basic physics says that 500lbs across 2 square inches equals 250lbs per square inch of force - vs- 500lbs across 5 sq inches equals 100lbs per square inch of force, both provide the same coef of friction, all else being equal.
Siping and and rubber compound make a much more profound difference, and there, typically the MC tire prevails with softer rubber and siping that is more suitable to displacing water when leaned over. Not to mention, that a wider tire with more contact patch is more likely to hydroplane than a skinner tire with less contact patch, which will more easily plow through standing water.
This is the real physics of it. I understand that a lot of CT riders feel that their arrangement defies the laws of physics, and works great. Not to mention the longer tire life (harder rubber, less grip).
Ride what you are comfortable with.... and enjoy....
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, WI | I had been using a Dunlop Winter Sport run flat on my Vision.
During that time I had a chance to ride on every type of road and weather condition.
Included interstate, two lane mountain roads, gravel/mud and 100's and 100's and 100's of miles of riding in the rain.
Based on my experience with that tire I put another Dunlop Winter Sport on my Vision.
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Peru, IN | Good enough for me. Let's see a show of hands. Who else has ridden from Key West, FL to Prudoe Bay, AK...in 10 days...on a car tire? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? |
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| donetracey - 2013-04-28 10:28 PM Boots - 2013-04-28 7:35 PM IMHO - Shorter stopping distances Smoother ride Better rain management Less down time Fewer times disassembed = Less chance for mistakes 1/3 the price for 3 times the mileage Ha Ha Ha Ha - damn, you 'geniuses' are funny ! Thanks for the laugh .... ROFLOL You forgot to mention the better fuel mileage with CTs .... LOL - KILLS me .... But I'll stick to real tires - especially in my mountainous riding. Never saw a bike in 53 years in a showroom with CTs. Wonder why ???? Maybe guys with CTs don't know HOW to ride ???? So many questions - sigh ... Like 'BRAKING' - how does a CT make for better braking when 70+ % of that is done with FRONT tire ???? ... at least by people who know HOW to ride. I think it's all about being CHEAP. Or maybe just providing amusement! Yeah - that's it !!! +1 Don!! If the darkside is so much better....why don't the OEM's install them at the factory? I know....it's a conspiracy with the MC tire manufacturers so everyone can pay more for their scooters when they are new!My question is...why don't any of the motorcycle race teams use CTs on their roadrace or flattrack bikes if they are SO superior in every way? Just sayin'! |
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, WI | Monkeyman - 2013-04-29 8:36 AM Good enough for me. Let's see a show of hands. Who else has ridden from Key West, FL to Prudoe Bay, AK...in 10 days...on a car tire? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? 7 days, 10 hours and 10 minutes.  |
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| Turk: you didn't finish your physics problem, what will actually stop you better, 5 sq" @ 100 ppsi or 2 sq" @ 250 ppsi? (if you divide 500/5 you have to devide 500/2 !) I would like to see that run on some kinda real live test. My better braking CT say's 5 sq" @ 100 ppsi. But all bets are off when a run flat inter the picture. Run you MT flat and see what it's like, then run the Ru Flat CT and see what its like? Thats safety. Hope its get the troops stewed up! |
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Peru, IN | savage - 2013-04-29 9:43 AM
My question is...why don't any of the motorcycle race teams use CTs on their roadrace or flattrack bikes if they are SO superior in every way?
They AREN'T meant for knee dragging corners. Street motorcycle tires aren't meant for the track, either. Of course, most motorcycles aren't changing their tires twice a day with $400 tires so I guess that's something. Everyone has to make compromises. If I had a fully stocked chase vehicle (and an endless supply of money), I'd put race tires on my bike....and change them every couple of days. (By my crew. While I was sleeping.) |
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| Rollin' - 2013-04-29 8:30 AM
I had been using a Dunlop Winter Sport run flat on my Vision.
During that time I had a chance to ride on every type of road and weather condition.
Included interstate, two lane mountain roads, gravel/mud and 100's and 100's and 100's of miles of riding in the rain.
Based on my experience with that tire I put another Dunlop Winter Sport on my Vision.
And if I rode the distances and destinations you rode to, you bet your ass I'd have a long life run flat tire on my bike, such as the Wintersport! I'm not detracting from their usefulness. There is definitely a reason for everything. I was merely mentioning the raw physics of it.
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Peru, IN | Rollin' - 2013-04-29 9:44 AM
Monkeyman - 2013-04-29 8:36 AM Good enough for me. Let's see a show of hands. Who else has ridden from Key West, FL to Prudoe Bay, AK...in 10 days...on a car tire? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? 7 days, 10 hours and 10 minutes.
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| wingit3611 - 2013-04-29 9:06 AM
Turk: you didn't finish your physics problem, what will actually stop you better, 5 sq" @ 100 ppsi or 2 sq" @ 250 ppsi? (if you divide 500/5 you have to devide 500/2 !) I would like to see that run on some kinda real live test. My better braking CT say's 5 sq" @ 100 ppsi. But all bets are off when a run flat inter the picture. Run you MT flat and see what it's like, then run the Ru Flat CT and see what its like? Thats safety. Hope its get the troops stewed up!
Again, all things being equal, the same total weight, on the same exact compounds and surfaces, there would be no difference in braking distance! C'mon, we all learned this in high school physics. Only back then, the analogy was used to persuade the hot rodders that their huge rear tires were actually performing below what the standard tires were (more unsprung weight robs power). That what mattered was the compound and coefficient of friction. Wider tires do not by virtue of being wider, offer a higher coefficient of friction. Go ask any physics professor.
But, anecdotal experiences seem to offer profoundly different feedback to some.... it's certainly a scientific conundrum.
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New Mexico | varyder - 2013-04-29 5:50 AM
There was one thing I was not willing to give up, how the bike feels and handles. That was the game changer for me because not even the "experts" said it handled better. They have all said it is different, and you will "get used to it". This tells me it takes away the one thing that I don't want to give up.
In my experience with the Potenza this is true. As with all things, there is give and take, plus and minus, ying and yang, Donny and Marie...
A buddy here on the forum (Nailer) went with me as I was getting my second Potenza installed. He was putting on his first ct, chose a different brand, and had me test ride it. My Potenza has a break-in period where, for lack of better phrasing, it 'learns' to be a mt. His, however, handled great right from the start. Very smooth, too. Not sure about the other benefits (longevity, stopping distance, weather management, etc), but will check with him on that before I get my next ct.
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| Turk: I forgot to mention that on another form (believe it was the Burgmanusa) a tire manufacture guy said that CT tires are made from softer rubber that MT. He quoted some Engineering spects to support his statement. Who knows? I just know I like my car and the way it stops, way it corners & the way it stays up when flat. Foget the rest of the details. By the way, I haven't had the gut's to see if I could do a burnout with it yet. MT would! |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | OK - Y'all have convinced me!
CT's are best!
So I am selling my bike and will let my wife do all the driving in her SMART. Anyone want a nice '08 for $32,000 ????
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | NO TAKERS ???
Well, proves my point. Darksiders are just Cheap Bastages who figure saving a buck beats being right. I'll stick to what the engineers, racers, manufacturers - and MY OWN knowledge tells me - for MANY years. Use MOTORCYCLE TIRES ON A MOTORCYCLE.
There - it's UGLY to you guys. But goddamned common sense to those of us who aren't common ...
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elgin mn | If it quits raining I will go out and ride my Vision. with my winter sport, quit arguing guys. |
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Peru, IN | armymedic - 2013-05-30 12:23 AM
Where are you guys getting your CT mounted? Or are most people doing it themselves?
Most independent shops and some dealers will mount a CT for you. I've seen prices ranging for $40 all the way up to $125 if you bring the wheel/tire in. Some shops require they state on the bill that they're not responsible if something happens (like the tire blows up or the world ends...neither of which has happened). |
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Central Maryland | jeffmack - 2013-05-30 8:33 AM
Why in the world do all u guys give such a shit?? Just ride ur own ride.
It's because of this:
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Alberta | Rollin' - 2013-05-30 9:37 AM
What's better than a car tire?? A car tire filled with nitrogen!!!!!!!!!!!! ??
I don't buy into the Nitrogen filled tire for street application thinking, for racing OK. Just remember that our atmosphere ("AIR") we breath is made up of 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, and the rest is small amounts of argon, CO2, helium. When you fill your tire with an "air" you get almost 80% nitrogen in the tire anyway, I won't pay special prices for something that is not really beneficial. |
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New Mexico | willtill - 2013-05-30 6:58 AM
It's because of this:
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The above is a caricature of Don posting late last night/early this morning....
Now that's funny!
My local Vic dealer would not put on tire, but independent motorcycle shop had no issues. They do a lot of trike conversions, so might be something to look for as a clue the shop is comfortable with installing CTs.
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| The reason Rollin was using nitrogen was cause he left his house in WI. road down to the keys and then up to Alaska so I'm guessing he wanted all the air he could get.
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, WI | johnnyvision - 2013-05-30 6:31 PM The reason Rollin was using nitrogen was cause he left his house in WI. road down to the keys and then up to Alaska so I'm guessing he wanted all the air he could get. Nitrogen is slower to leak out of your tire then normal air. Correct! And nitrogen is dryer so the pressure doesn't change as much with temperature change. On this years ride I am preparing for a one day 80 degree temperature change. . |
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Jasper, MO | 80 degree change in one day beats my 65 degree change.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | SNORE .... zzzzzzz SNORE ....zzzzzzzzzzz SNO... !! whazzat ???? ..... somebody say something ????
Huh .... SNORE .... zzzzzz
followed by ~~~~~ dreams of tomorrows ride ... with NO thought of tires or psi or valves or pumps ... ahhh BLISS ~~~~
Too bad other folks can't enjoy ... OH Well ... s'life ....SNORE .... zzzzzz
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | WAIT !!!
Here's something to stay up at night and worry about!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQGZl6NAous
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Jasper, MO | Rollin' - 2013-05-30 11:24 PM
rdbudd - 2013-05-30 11:01 PM 80 degree change in one day beats my 65 degree change. Ronnie Could be more (I hope not) could be less but just preparing.
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Flagstaff, AZ to Bakersfield, CA
Started the day wearing every piece of clothing I had, stripping down to jeans & t-shirt by end of the day.
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scotts valley, California | Just call me cheap and lazy; works for me. I am happy with the Michelin alpin I have mounted on the back of my Vision, but I question the better stopping distance argument for the CT. I'm not in the habit of sliding to a stop dragging one or both tires down the street locked up. But I am kind of in the habit of starting from a dead stop rather rapidly and there is no doubt in my mind that the Michelin breaks loose more easily than my E3's did. So if my Michelin has less traction in go ahead, I'm guessing it would have less traction in braking mode. This could be an increased hazard with the car tire. I've had a couple of freeway rear wheel lock-ups with previous bikes, which got my adrenalin pumping.
Harder rubber = less traction, gotta agree. It would help make an intelligent decision if the tire manufacturers were required to include the coefficient of friction along with the other tire specs.
Incidentally, I, too, wore a hole in my front fender with a Metzler 880. Years ago, I put one on the back of my Harley and could feel an improved ride right off the bat. |
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Grand Cane, LA | Blue Sky Guy it depends on the rubber compound of the tire you bought. If you bought one with a softer compound it will be comparable to the soft compound of a motorcycle tire. People are always looking at the higher treadwear rating when looking for tires to go darkside, but the opposite is what you really should be looking for. A soft car tire will still last longer than a motorcycle tire. |
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scotts valley, California | Where do you find out the tires "softness" rating?
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | The wintersport tires are a softer compound than a MT. Those tires wear out quicker though, only expect 18-20k miles out of them.
I have recently switched back from a Dunlop Wintersport 175/60 to an E3 an have notice a drop in traction when accelerating. I do find the E3 a little more agile. The agility of the Wintersport was similar to a worn E3.
The E3 was free, when it wears out, I may go back to the Wintersport for the 'Runflat' safety if I can find one. |
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Phenix City AL. | so. after going threw this thread, I used a 155/55/ wintersport, due to having a trailer hitch, the stopped making that tire, what are those that have a trailer hitch running? in a run flat? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i just use my 10 yr old sears motorcycle jack to help me Remove the wheel(s) myself and them bring them to the place that installs my tires.. way cheaper. Doing this has paid for the jack 30 times over in the past 10 years. btw i have also gone to the darkside on my last 3 bikes, 2 of them being Vision's |
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| Instead of using the Metzler that wears a hole in your finder use a Bridgestone 140x70R18 with a "V" rating. handles good. Actually a Yamaha rear tire |
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