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New Bohemia, VA | Who is running Vision apes? I would like some feedback from those who are. Height and comfort is what I'm looking for. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Never heard of anyone using the word (APES) in the same sentence as Comfort before.. lol |
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New Bohemia, VA | Interesting. I know a few folks that live by them because of the comfort. Having issues that may take me from riding, want to see if they will help. Have you had apes on a bike? |
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Pittsburgh, PA | The people i know that have them that claim they Arent a issue also do as much riding in 3 years as you do in a month.... i guess it depends on how High the apes are... usually apes arent associated with people who ride long distances. and youre name is in the Dictionary under Iron Butt. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I do know folks who ride coast to coast with apes more than once a year. They never say they have a problem. I want to find someone with a vision with apes. |
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| Ape hangers is a very subjective term. I have 15" inch mini apes on my HD. Most people I know would say that bars have to be 24 or more inches to be ape hangers. That's also my personal opinion. That being said I've seen bars that turn up a foot or less called apes so I guess it's a matter of opinion. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I'm talking apes... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Who makes APES for the vision (not Mini's) ? |
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| not smart idea. With 800 pounds under you and your arms up above your strong point makes for dumping time.
Look up Heavy Metal design |
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New Bohemia, VA | Simple question, don't need lessons. |
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Oakdale MN | Apes on a vision are Awesome!!!!!!! I designed my own and had a local company bend them for me. uses all stock cables/ lines and for anyone concerned about it not being a good idea can go away I love rideing any bike with Tall bars.
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Grand Cane, LA | Sure makes seeing with the mirrors a lot easier! Wow! |
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New Bohemia, VA | looks good RC - wish we were closer so I could give them a try. That's about where I would want them to be and using the existing cables is a definite plus. I'll PM you later in the week and maybe can have some dialog. Thank, looks good. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | thats mini apes. i thought you wanted APES...?!? and if he made his Own apes how will that help you with buying a set?
Jusy saying... thanks all...
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| Those are mini apes. If you're comfortable with them, then go for it. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2012-07-11 8:54 PM
I do know folks who ride coast to coast with apes more than once a year. They never say they have a problem. I want to find someone with a vision with apes.
I guess thats like the people i know that ride coast to coast on a Car tire when people say its unsafe and
"cant" be done.. basically i guess anyone can do anything someone else cant.. |
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-07-12 5:54 AM varyder - 2012-07-11 8:54 PM I do know folks who ride coast to coast with apes more than once a year. They never say they have a problem. I want to find someone with a vision with apes. I guess thats like the people i know that ride coast to coast on a Car tire when people say its unsafe and "cant" be done.. basically i guess anyone can do anything someone else cant.. It's a matter of personal taste and what people are comfortable with. I ride with people that have full apes on a HD FL front end and a car tire out back. Looks silly to me but then they think the Visions are butt ugly. To each their own. |
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Las Vegas | rcvision - 2012-07-11 8:28 PM
Apes on a vision are Awesome!!!!!!! I designed my own and had a local company bend them for me. uses all stock cables/ lines and for anyone concerned about it not being a good idea can go away I love rideing any bike with Tall bars.
I would like to see the rest of the bike please.
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| Alohaboy on this site has some 16" on his 2012 Ness Vision. You might PM for his thoughts.
Ness also has come out with some adjustable bars, not sure I would call them apes. http://shop.arlenness.com/s-51-handlebars.aspx |
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New Bohemia, VA | Considering that I'm 5'8 anything at or above 18" is an ape to me. And I don't know why a car tire comment has to come into this discussion. Thank to the folks who has provided feedback I was looking for...
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| Varyder I think the point is run whatever makes you happy. I know plenty of people that think the Vision is way out there but I like it and I ride it. If you want apes then mount them. I have minis on my HD and it rides fine. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Absolutely. Since most don't understand what am asking for I should realize off the wall comments will be made. Rest assure I ride what I ride and could care less what anyone else thinks. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | varyder - 2012-07-12 10:01 AM
Considering that I'm 5'8 anything at or above 18" is an ape to me. And I don't know why a car tire comment has to come into this discussion. Thank to the folks who has provided feedback I was looking for...
I'll tell you exactly why a car tire came into this discussion.. because if it wasnt you looking for apes you would be telling somebody that would be unsafe.... lol. Hell the state I live in even had a law against ape hangers... (not a ct)...
Im just busting your balls. See what its like being on the other side of the fence... |
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Rest assured, I ride what I ride and could care less what anyone else thinks.
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New Bohemia, VA | Arkainzeye - 2012-07-12 12:01 PM varyder - 2012-07-12 10:01 AM Considering that I'm 5'8 anything at or above 18" is an ape to me. And I don't know why a car tire comment has to come into this discussion. Thank to the folks who has provided feedback I was looking for... I'll tell you exactly why a car tire came into this discussion.. because if it wasnt you looking for apes you would be telling somebody that would be unsafe.... lol. Hell the state I live in even had a law against ape hangers... (not a ct)... Im just busting your balls. See what its like being on the other side of the fence... search the forum and show me where I have ever said that a car tire is unsafe on a motorcycle. people are unsafe, but a thick rubber balloon on a wheel is just that. But please, spend some time and find where I said "A care tire is unsafe". But, I have said that people who put car tires on motorcycles are cheap and lazy, but I digress.
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| varyder - 2012-07-12 10:57 AM Rest assure I ride what I ride and could care less what anyone else thinks. I think any Vision rider could make that claim. While the vast amount of people that comment on my Vision like it there will always be a few that have to put it down or as someone in another thread said, swear it's a Japanese bike and no amount of proof will change their mind. |
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New Bohemia, VA | These people are everywhere. I was a car/bike meet on a Saturday evening and I was admiring a good looking, yet older looking harley. An older gentleman owned it and rode it frequently. He had solid wheels on it instead of spoke type. He shared with me where other harleys riders in various places would be very mindful to tell him without any introduction that those wheels look like "sh*t" on your bike old man, and would walk on. I've had my encounters concerning the Vision, but I just laugh, because people like that are deflated to begin with and they need something to lift themselves up.
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New Bohemia, VA | Back on track --- any other Vision apers out there? Mini-apers, high risers, whatever.
I'm sitting in the living room and I'm measuring about 18 inches up from what my normal bars would be on the vision, then I'm hangin' my arms like I'm holdin' on to some apes. I'm sitting there for a minute and thinking with my hands up in the air when my wife says "forget about it!" I said "forget about what?" "you ain't puttin' no goofy handle bars on your bike, that would look stupid." Now, if she rode with me more I would take that to heart, but I did get a good chuckle out of it, that she guessed at what I was trying to do. |
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| Most but not all riders find that if their hands are above their shoulders it's painful after awhile. And I agree with your wife, 18" bars would look silly on a Vision. |
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New Bohemia, VA | It always depends on your point of view. There are many things that so called normal folks think it is normal looking to them that I find that is not to my liking. An example of this is the recent Victory T-shirt contest for sturgis. I like by far the simple graphic of the front view of the bike, and a subtle badge of Victory on the back. I would buy two of those t-shirts. However, there is an overwhelming liking to the large Victory badge on the front so everyone who wears one will be a walking billboard for Victory. Not my taste of things, but so be it, the majority is happy and that is what counts, and I'm happy too, I'll save me a few dollars. If you know me, I'm too practical for my own good, and cheap. While it seems I can still ride long distance as proven on my recent trip to kentucky and back, the trips to and from work are causing me issues. I think if I change the bars some, it might help. I'm still experimenting before I make the move so when I do it, it will be for a good reason. With that said, I don't care how silly I look to anyone else as long as it keeps me in the saddle.
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Brighton, TN | maybe see if you can adapt the adjustable High Ball bars. They are adjustable up and down and all around. |
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| pollolittle - 2012-07-13 11:11 AM maybe see if you can adapt the adjustable High Ball bars. They are adjustable up and down and all around. That's an idea. |
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Danville, CA | I am 6'6 and the Ness Bars are perfect for me and not too low at all and more comfortable than stock... My 2 cents... |
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New Bohemia, VA | Po - that is a great idea. I need to take a look at one the next time they have one at the dealer. |
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Edmonton, AB | Chris...these may be an option to look at as well.
http://www.hmd520.com/category/Vision-Bars-37
I can't comment on the Vision Ape Handle bars that he has on his site but I can comment on the vendor... I just purchased a set of the 2" pullback bars and I was quite happy with the product and the service from the seller. Each time I called it was Mike who answered and he took the time to answere my questions, both before and after receiving my money. |
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Phenix City AL. | would you put apes on already lol, I want to see what it looks like also I have discs issues in my neck, with effects my shoulder and arms, I would like to find out if the Minnie apes would help. |
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Chattanooga, TN | Varyder, I met a guy in Daytona with the Ness Miniapes and he said it's really comfortable. It puts his hands about shoulder height, straight in front of him. |
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Oakdale MN | The bars I worked out are 12" up. Tha Stock bars are 12" back I also widened the 2-3 inches. I am trying to load some other photos. Thanks Rick
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Central Maryland | rcvision - 2012-07-13 9:29 PM
The bars I worked out are 12" up. Tha Stock bars are 12" back I also widened the 2-3 inches. I am trying to load some other photos. Thanks Rick
That's blacked out Vision is sure sharp there Rick....! |
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New Bohemia, VA | looks really good Rick!!! That's the feedback I'm look for and the pictures says a lot. I've got to get me something I can sit up there for a little while to see what that does to my shoulders before I make any drastic moves. I think it will help if I can "hang". I like what you've done to your vision and the adaptation of the trunk. Great looking bike. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Apes in general look silly on a vision. Like chrome wheels on a mini van, or a hood scoop on a station wagon... But just because it looks silly is no reason to Not do it if YOU like it! That guy you see with the plastic chrome hub caps that look like spinner wheels, in his mind its the greatest thing he could have added to his mini van and in his mind, he is C O O L no one can tell him other wise!!!
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New Bohemia, VA | if, for me, it's about cool, I wouldn't asking, I'd just do it. This is about being able to ride longer. While the Vision may be the most comfortable bike on the planet, for others, even the seat is painful, whereas a bike that is painful for 90% of us to ride works perfect for the other 10%. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i agree my 2011 seat is not as "soft" as my 2008.. I ended up having to buy a propad and WOW what a difference. I feel the 2011 seat is better made, strong material etc.... Its just not as comfy and i wasnt about to drop a 4 digit number on a New seat.. |
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New Bohemia, VA | I rode a 2011 and noticed immediately I was riding higher, stiffer foam for sure. The folks I remember complaining about the Vision comfort and back pain was in the early does of '08. Thinking it was jab at the Vision because they said that the Vision sucked and made their back hurt, I gave a jab back. However, I think they were in the clear and I realized that the Vision is not for everyone, nor is all situations the same for everyone. I don't know who and why anyone put the first apes on a bike for, but I'm sure there are some that find it very comfortable than low bars. |
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| They started using those before deodorant was invented. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | That's a pretty cool looking mini tour pack too............ |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I would make any modification to keep me on the road. I would paint my bike hot pink if that's what it took to keep me rolling. |
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Peru, IN | Those apes look great but I'd be massively uncomfortable leaning that far forward. For all that, I'd get a sports bike. |
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New Bohemia, VA | victoryvisiontour - 2012-07-14 10:10 PM I would make any modification to keep me on the road. I would paint my bike hot pink if that's what it took to keep me rolling. ...it's all about riding...  |
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Wichita, KS | Reading your post, I recalled a video i came accross of a 2012 Ness Vision. The video is featuring the sound of his Thundersticks, however in the video you can see the owner had installed "apes". Thought you would appreciate another example of what you've decribed. I shared your frustration as I had to wade through all the unsolicited and unrelated opinion just to get to a usable reponses to your question. |
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Wichita, KS | It would have helped if I had actually attached the video wouldn't it? Sorry about that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0pygnuooQk |
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Lillian, Alabama | That last post is exactly what I'm looking for. I went from standard bars to 12" mini apes on my Roadstar and it increased the comfort level for me dramatically. I can ride all day on it now. But on the vision I'm getting a little shoulder pain after 4 or 5 hours, just like I used to get on the Roadstar. Anyone know where I can find 12" mini apes like these?
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| I was getting pain between my shoulder blades after hours and hours of riding. i installed the utopia backrest, driver, and pain is gone. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Going to the doc tomorrow for more poking and prodding. This will help know which direction I'll go with all of this. I'm also taking another long ride on Saturday so I can do some modified riding. I don't use a back rest, and even when I do have something, like my Saddleman I don't normally push back. I'll try riding leaning back and see what happens. I try to straigthen my arms and ride that way and see how that feels. But it seems my long distant riding, I really don't have a problem, it is the short, 30 mile commute that I have issues in my shoulder, arms and hands.
I've been studying my stock handle bars and it almost seems I could bend them to a position that may help, but I don't want to find out that doesn't help and can't shape them back. Thanks for all the constructive input. |
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Wichita, KS | Just a thought in the direction of "cause and affect". Could it be that the discomfort you notice more on your commute, and not so much on longer road trips is because you're on full alert and more tense while in commuter traffic? |
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Wichita, KS | I just ran accross a thread created by the owner of that 2012 Ness Vision from the video I sent you earlier. The apes he installed were Ness Apes for a Vision. these bars are available in gloss black or Chrome.
I've attached the thread as well as the Ness page for the bars.
http://www.vision-riders.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=11356&po...
http://shop.arlenness.com/p-7333-vision-ape-hanger-black.aspx
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New Bohemia, VA | Bodacious - 2012-07-19 10:05 AM Just a thought in the direction of "cause and affect". Could it be that the discomfort you notice more on your commute, and not so much on longer road trips is because you're on full alert and more tense while in commuter traffic? Something like that. I have a desk job, and type a lot, so there is probably the source of the real problems. While I will agree with you on the commute traffic, I did not necessarily note that while on the recent roadtrip in commute type traffic. I hate nerve related problems because they are so hard to find, but the symptoms are very real. I ride with high energy all the time, and gave thought to your assesment. I'm going to be more cognizant of what I do when I ride Saturday to see if I can find a trigger. Thing is, my symptoms are not strictly related when I ride, I just don't want it to affect my riding. I wonder if my medical insurance will pay for my apes since they will be therapeutic in nature?
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New Bohemia, VA | well, saw the doc today. The bad news, they can't find out what the problem is, the good news is, they can't find any problem. The physical damage is no worse and I'm doing things to help. I'll see what I can come up with tomorrow on my ride. |
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| They're not apes but I have the HMD pullback bars sitting in my shop. They didn't work for me but are drilled for resevoirs and scuffed up some so couldn't be returned. Some nerve damage in my right hand from bandsaw incidents; somehow the pullbacks made my hand go numb within 50 miles. Let me know if you'd like to try them, we can work something out.
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New Bohemia, VA | Thanks for the offer, but I need less pull back, I find that the majority of my problem creeps in when my elbows are at a 90 degree, especially when riding. |
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