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Puddle Jumper
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| Does anyone know if Polaris has done any upgrades to the 105 engine, or is it basiclly the same.
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I think the 105 is a goner, at least let's hope so, it's a Harley EVO clone with the throttlle body on the left side. Indian blasphemy........The new Indian deserves a proper new engine..... |
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Iron Butt
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, FL United States | XRsteve - 2012-06-12 6:18 PM
....The new Indian deserves a proper new engine.....
Agree 100%. |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | im not sure how new changes will go over with the traditional Indian fans. Already they (polaris) is under the microscope too see how they can rere-release the Indian name brand once again. I read on a few other forum where people were already bashing polaris saying they better not make it like a victory. (not that they were saying anything was wrong with a victory) People just want indian to not be a victory rebadged.. at least from what i read... |
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Cruiser
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-06-12 7:57 PM
im not sure how new changes will go over with the traditional Indian fans. Already they (polaris) is under the microscope too see how they can rere-release the Indian name brand once again. I read on a few other forum where people were already bashing polaris saying they better not make it like a victory. (not that they were saying anything was wrong with a victory) People just want indian to not be a victory rebadged.. at least from what i read...
I'm not directing this at anyone here but I see a lot of claptrap on various motorcycle forums from riders that think they know better than Polaris what to do with Indian. I like to refer to them as Keyboard Captains of Industry. 
Polaris is a pretty smart and successful company and in a short time we're going to see the finished Indian product. I'm not expecting any surprises. As Polaris has indicated they intend to retain the Indian heritage while incorporating updated assembly and technology.
Who knows? We may even see an Indian with self-cancelling turn signals! |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | Hey DV, I'm with you, Indian is in good hands and will move forward in Indian tradition, I believe. The real question is, if Indian had existed through to today, would it be the same. Knowing Harley switched hands and leadership a few time, they've lived on with the traditional mantra and indoctrination. What I like about Indian is that it is a rare bred and hope it stays that way above all. As much as I want to think my Vision is rare, I will see a few of them in a month anywhere I go. However, an Indian, I will go months without seeing one and it is truly a rare and beautiful sight. Folks that want to take what a manufacturer makes and make it something different, doesn't appreciate the machine as it is. If anyone wants to customize their bike, that is great and dandy. I'll leave the original product to those who put the time and energy to concept, design, and produce and customize it from there, that is what we do. There is only one other machine that I would have over a Vision, and that is an Indian, but always plan on keeping my Vision even if I could afford an Indian for those "special occassions".
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Cruiser
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| varyder - 2012-06-13 10:40 AM
There is only one other machine that I would have over a Vision, and that is an Indian, but always plan on keeping my Vision even if I could afford an Indian for those "special occassions".
I agree with you Chris! (OK, I want a Triumph Tiger 800 too.)
The one change I'm hoping Polaris makes to the Indian is to make it at least a little more affordable. I have always loved the look and heritage of the Indian machines. After doing a demo ride a couple of years ago, I was SOLD on Indian, except for the almost $30K price tag. 
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I learned a few secrets around the 2010 time frame when I stopped at the Indian dealer Charlotte and sat on a Chief. It sat nearly identical to my Vision. When I mentioned this, I was told a few folks that used to work for Polaris on Victorys help get the new designs going. I found the seat height nearly the same as well as the pull back. The thing I really like about an Indian is that it looks and feels beefier than any Harley, but easy off the kick. |
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Puddle Jumper
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WI | My guess is Polaris will power some of the New Indians with a modern design of the old Indian inline 4 cylinder |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | waterboy - 2012-06-13 3:03 PM My guess is Polaris will power some of the New Indians with a modern design of the old Indian inline 4 cylinder That would be sweet... |
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Cruiser
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| varyder - 2012-06-13 3:17 PM
waterboy - 2012-06-13 3:03 PM My guess is Polaris will power some of the New Indians with a modern design of the old Indian inline 4 cylinder That would be sweet...
Wow... now I'm drooling! |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | ;o)
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Now that would blow everything out of the water.............. |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | And if they Indian ( whoever the owner is this week ) didn't want to progress at all they would still have 42 degree side valve engines in 45, 61, 74 and 80 cu inch models....... |
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Cruiser
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| XRsteve - 2012-06-13 5:41 PM
Now that would blow everything out of the water..............
Exactly what I was thinking. So outside the run of the mill v-twin box... |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Imagine a 120 cu in four cylinder inline four. No need for cams or pipes. Blow everything in the touring class away. If you've ever test ridden a Triumph Rocket III you would know the feeling, that bikes makes so much power and torque it only needs three gears !!!!!!! |
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Iron Butt
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| I'm curious as to what the next Indian incarnation will be. I'll be 60 in a few years,too few, and a new Indian might be a nice birthday present. |
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Iron Butt
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| What people THESE days tend to forget is that back in the days of the original Indian Motorcycle Company they were regarded as the leader in motorcycle technology and progressive thinking with regards to design. They were the first to incorporate what today is the standard control layout for all motorcycles, left foot shift, right hand throttle, and so on. Unfortunately there are many out there that only want to see an Indian that looks like an Indian from 1953 and don't care about the original company's reputation for originality in design.
Personally I would LOVE to see a new Indian along the lines of what Chris pictured above but with a modern suspension and other current or forward thinking technology. |
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Tourer
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New Orleans, La, | I really like the idea of Polaris re introducing the Indian inline four as Indians new signature engine and look. After veiwing the picture above I would seriously consider buying one. I could only imagine a modern rendition of the iconic Indian four with enough retro cues visually to keep the traditionalist happy yet peak intrest in those that never would have considered a retro/modern American tourer. Just think, more power and smoothness that a Beemer or Wing and more visual and traditional character than a Harley all wrapped up in an Indian original idea circa 1940. Hmmmm. |
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Tourer
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Beer Collins, Colorado (there is no fort) | There's a couple of in line 4's available & I believe the UK company also has the rights to use the Indian name-not sure. They started out as Viking brand bikes with a Volvo B-20 power plant.
http://www.indian-uk.com/
http://www.p2r.se/mc/dakota4/index.htm
http://www.dakotamotorcycles.net/
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I've seen the Dakota before, nice idea just needs to be packaged a little more modern, that high pipe would have to be moved for rider comfort, sorta like the Rocket three......... |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | AND of course we are probably all dreaming.......... |
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| It's good to have a Vision!  |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | In the down-under world there is also Kiwi Indian. I don't think they do four-cyclinders, but they like to keep the 48-53 classic look. I think they have kit bikes too. They just had the Coast Guard Indian do the Run for the Wall. I would have like to have met up with it. |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | The Kiwi Indian is beautiful: it's like they just started manufacturing the Chief in 1954 after Springfield Indian closed their doors in 1953. A few small changes like a better oil pump and I believe they'll make you a stroker motor if you want one. They have even added a electric starter to some models. This being said a 80 cu in flathead makes around 40 HP, so you aren't gonna do any interstate 80 mph cruising on these things, they are almost like ready made barn find restorations.
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | If I ever get an Indian, any Indian, I will not even come close to riding like I ride my Vision. It is for the slow and leisurely ride it was majestically designed for. While Indian gain famed through racing, I've always pictured it be a part of the slow and easy way of life. Even a Kiwi Indian would suite me just fine.. |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Agree with varyder: The old Indians regardless of model ( Scout, PowerPlus or the various chiefs and the 4 cylinder models ) from the Springfield plant were all created before there was an Interstate highway system. Most of the US Highways were two lanes and one third of the other roads in the country were dirt or gravel. None of these were made for the now cruising speeds of our modern Interstate highway sysytem..........Hell would you even want to go 70mph down a dirt road on a semi-rigid frame that had maybe 1 1/2 inches of travel at the rear tire?? AND the Harley's weren't any better at this even though they did have a swing arm frame from 1958 onward, before that they were rigids.........
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Sorry, there I go again, kinda off topic.......... |
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Cruiser
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| A new Indian can't be ridden like a Vision, at least not by me. They ride well, just not like a Vision.
For a machine costing over $25K I'd treat it lovingly. Not that it would require it, but because it deserves that amount of care and respect.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | AND there lies the problem in my view: I want a new BAD ASS Chief that can be ridden like a Vision and with all the comforts the Vision supplies too, with that it would be worth a premium price of say $25,000 ............ |
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Cruiser
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| XRsteve - 2012-06-15 1:53 PM
AND there lies the problem in my view: I want a new BAD ASS Chief that can be ridden like a Vision and with all the comforts the Vision supplies too, with that it would be worth a premium price of say $25,000 ............
We'll have to wait and see how the Polaris Indian is made. May you get your wish! |
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Hopeful but not counting on it.........thanks man............Just a proper modern made for Indian only engine would be enough..........
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Visionary
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Enough ( for now ) about the 2013 Indians, anyone hear anything spectacular about the 2013 Victory touring models ??
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Pittsburgh, PA | XRsteve - 2012-06-18 2:55 PM
Enough ( for now ) about the 2013 Indians, anyone hear anything spectacular about the 2013 Victory touring models ??
Same bike.. different color.. |
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