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| Has anyone tried using an oil cooler on the Vision? If so has it improved the engine temp much and what oil cooler did you use> |
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| The Vision has an oil cooler from the factory. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Curious question Earle, why do you ask? In deed the Vision has an oil cooler. If you feel the engine is hot on your legs, there are lower deflectors you can install on your bike, plenty of threads on the topic. In what I have read and talked with others about on the Vic motors, you'll never have to worry with the engine overheating like with other V-Twins. The heads are cooled by oil circulating through passages making it one of the best engines on the market. |
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Cottage Grove, Mn | An oil cooler.. Really?????? |
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Orlando, FL | Yup Backjack, Really! Just look down on the lower shifter side and you'll see a radiator thingy in front of the motor. That's the oil cooler. |
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | I know it is hard for to ex-harley riders to get acustomed to but Oil temp and Oil presure! Just get on and ride |
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Cottage Grove, Mn | MaddMAx2u - 2012-05-19 8:25 AM
Yup Backjack, Really! Just look down on the lower shifter side and you'll see a radiator thingy in front of the motor. That's the oil cooler.
Sorry just my attempt a humor. I know Victorys all have oil coolers this is my 3rd Vic I'm just suprised he didn't know
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Land O Lakes, FL | I was curious if the Vic needed a larger aftermarket cooler as well. It seems the consensus on that is no? My buddy just installed one on his HD and it works real nice.. |
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Flowery Branch Ga | No other oil cooler is needed. The factory oil cooler does the job no matter how high the ambient air tempature gets. |
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seattle, wa | I brought up putting a larger oil cooler on the bike a year ago or so and got shot down. I cant remember the reasoning, but KevinX said it wouldn't help. And he knows way more bout these rides than I do. |
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Jasper, MO | The early Victorys had a huge oil cooler that looked like a radiator. It was actually too big and cooled the oil too much. Victory went with a smaller cooler with the newer models. I believe the Victory engine uses a dual-vane oil pump with one vane providing pressure to the areas needing lubrication and the other vane circulating crankcase oil through the oil cooler and heads. It is a liquid cooled (oil) and air cooled engine by design. The oil cooler is not an afterthought like adding an oil cooler to an air-cooled engine would be.
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Pittsburgh, PA | rwilly - 2012-05-20 9:12 AM
I brought up putting a larger oil cooler on the bike a year ago or so and got shot down. I cant remember the reasoning, but KevinX said it wouldn't help. And he knows way more bout these rides than I do.
click on this link and fastward to 3:38min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Ld-IK-uNg&feature=relmfu |
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seattle, wa | Arkainzeye - 2012-05-20 9:13 AM
rwilly - 2012-05-20 9:12 AM
I brought up putting a larger oil cooler on the bike a year ago or so and got shot down. I cant remember the reasoning, but KevinX said it wouldn't help. And he knows way more bout these rides than I do.
click on this link and fastward to 3:38min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Ld-IK-uNg&feature=relmfu
Thanks for the link, interesting. |
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| Arlen Ness sells a Desert Package that has two oil coolers that attach to your factory oil cooler so you can double your oil capacity to cool down your oil and reduce the HOT temps on your legs and extend your motors life. Contact him in Vegas shop. I get mine installed in two weeks.
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San Antonio, TX | rhino4 - 2012-05-22 2:31 AM
Arlen Ness sells a Desert Package that has two oil coolers that attach to your factory oil cooler so you can double your oil capacity to cool down your oil and reduce the HOT temps on your legs and extend your motors life. Contact him in Vegas shop. I get mine installed in two weeks.
Sounds nice for South Texas. I could always make a cover for the second oil cooler in the winter. For that matter I could make one for the current oil cooler since the engine never comes up to temp when it is below 40.
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| radioteacher - 2012-05-22 10:19 AM rhino4 - 2012-05-22 2:31 AM Arlen Ness sells a Desert Package that has two oil coolers that attach to your factory oil cooler so you can double your oil capacity to cool down your oil and reduce the HOT temps on your legs and extend your motors life. Contact him in Vegas shop. I get mine installed in two weeks. Sounds nice for South Texas. I could always make a cover for the second oil cooler in the winter. For that matter I could make one for the current oil cooler since the engine never comes up to temp when it is below 40. Ride Safe For any part of Texas except the panhandle. It's going to be 99 in Dallas this week. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | rhino4 - 2012-05-22 2:31 AM
Arlen Ness sells a Desert Package that has two oil coolers that attach to your factory oil cooler so you can double your oil capacity to cool down your oil and reduce the HOT temps on your legs and extend your motors life. Contact him in Vegas shop. I get mine installed in two weeks.
you said double your oil capacity? so your saying 9qts!!! can you imagine what that oil change would cost! |
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Arkainzeye - 2012-05-22 11:29 AM
rhino4 - 2012-05-22 2:31 AM
Arlen Ness sells a Desert Package that has two oil coolers that attach to your factory oil cooler so you can double your oil capacity to cool down your oil and reduce the HOT temps on your legs and extend your motors life. Contact him in Vegas shop. I get mine installed in two weeks.
you said double your oil capacity? so your saying 9qts!!! can you imagine what that oil change would cost!
Would doubling the oil volume, double (extend) the changing frequency?
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Pittsburgh, PA | wait a sec... im confused and i am sorry for asking silly questions... BUT i have too! LOL
if you double the oil cap for this oil cooler #2 where in the Hell would all the oil GO when the bike is NOT in use? doesnt it drain back into the bottom of the engine? i imagine some will stay up top (little amount) ??? If all that oil is in the crankcase and you start up the first time could that cause a issue? when vic 1999-01 had the Giant oil coolers i think they only ran 6qts. i couldnt imagine 9qts in the crankcase just sitting there.. |
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Broken Arrow, OK | rwilly - 2012-05-20 9:12 AM
I brought up putting a larger oil cooler on the bike a year ago or so and got shot down. That sux Willy. Getting shot down on a forum should be isolated to oil brands and car tire threads only! ha
I seem to remember something about the cooling is so efficient on our motors that the size of the cooler was actually reduced so short trips on the bike at least allowed the engine to come up to respectable temps?
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Pittsburgh, PA | okie vision - 2012-05-22 8:59 PM
rwilly - 2012-05-20 9:12 AM
I brought up putting a larger oil cooler on the bike a year ago or so and got shot down. That sux Willy. Getting shot down on a forum should be isolated to oil brands and car tire threads only! ha
I seem to remember something about the cooling is so efficient on our motors that the size of the cooler was actually reduced so short trips on the bike at least allowed the engine to come up to respectable temps?
click on this link and fastward to 3:38min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Ld-IK-uNg&feature=relmfu |
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Broken Arrow, OK | lol that's it. That dude could sell Vic oil to an Amsoil dealer! |
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| actually they told me that it will have 8 qts of oil so it isn't quite doubled. I will post more when I get the bike back a week from this Friday. I am wondering if there will be a thermostat in the oil line to open and close the additional oil at a certain temperature. Who knows but will find out soon. This last Saturday the Bank in Safford said 117F but my bike was saying 107. It was hot!!!! Any help in cooling the engine will be welcome. |
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Grand Cane, LA | A couple of years ago while riding over to Hoover Dam, the temperature was 114 degrees and I just happened to look down at my temperature dipstick and it was reading 230 degrees. It probably wouldn't have been that high if it weren't for the fact we were crawling behind traffic to get down to the dam. I'm not sure at what temp our oil goes bad but I'm pretty sure 230 wasn't good for it. |
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Litchfield Park, AZ | atvtinker - 2012-06-04 11:42 PM
A couple of years ago while riding over to Hoover Dam, the temperature was 114 degrees and I just happened to look down at my temperature dipstick and it was reading 230 degrees. It probably wouldn't have been that high if it weren't for the fact we were crawling behind traffic to get down to the dam. I'm not sure at what temp our oil goes bad but I'm pretty sure 230 wasn't good for it.
230 degrees is low.....not high. Semi-synthetics will not start breaking down due to heat until the high 2's. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I agree 230 is Nothing to worry about at all.. 300F is another story.
http://www.amsoil.com/video/amsoil_information_series_videos.aspx |
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Lavon, TX | I installed a Spal 5.2in push fan on the front of the oil cooler on my Vision, controlled by a switch in the spare socket on the dashboard. In stop-n-go traffic situations, or for parades, I can switch on this fan in order to drop my oil temps. I am using the dipstick oil gauge - normally, the bike runs just over 200degF. Once I see my temp creeping up around 230 or so, I switch on the fan and can drop my temp about 20deg. |
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Grand Cane, LA | Charbin, I thought about doing the same thing about the fan thing after that ride, but haven't tried to find a suitable fan. Where did you get the Spal if you don't mind me asking? |
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Lavon, TX | SPAL VA31-A101-46S 5.2inch 12V Push Fan / 30103013.
$59.99 + $8.95 shipping at http://www.a1electric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_...
I used a 5A fuse. Installed with three zip ties (with wire bread-ties as backup).
Recently ordered another one to put on my wife's 2008 Vegas Low, for the same reasons.
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | charbin - 2012-06-05 10:34 AM
SPAL VA31-A101-46S 5.2inch 12V Push Fan / 30103013.
$59.99 + $8.95 shipping at http://www.a1electric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_...
I used a 5A fuse. Installed with three zip ties (with wire bread-ties as backup).
Recently ordered another one to put on my wife's 2008 Vegas Low, for the same reasons.
I'd lose the bread twisties as they have a steel wire as a core and that's a chaffe/potential shorting point, go instead with strips of VELCRO hook/pile to make soft but 'stay put' wraps that can be made pretty snug.
I'd hate to read that your bike shorted out and became a burnt offering to the motorcycle gods in the middle of BFE. |
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Lavon, TX | I was referring to the attachment of the plastic fan shroud to the front face of the oil cooler - it has mounting holes located at the 2, 6, and 10 o'clock positions along its extremity. My concern (as warned at the Spal website) is that relying solely on nylon zip ties for attachment could prove dangerous. This danger was confirmed when I found that, over time, the 6 o'clock nylon tie became so brittle that it had broken and I had to replace it (that's when I added the wire ties as a metal backup). I am now considering replacing with three of those aluminum chainlink fence ties to better secure the fan to the edges of the oil cooler. I surely don't want the fan dislodging... |
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| Use two zip ties they are strong then you think and if you buy some good ones I dought they would get brittle and break. I have some good ones from Harley you can have |
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| Amazon has a temperature gun for $21.95 I would think buying and do a read of your motor when weather is low and when weather is hot would tell you a lot. http://www.amazon.com/HDE-Temperature-Infrared-Thermometer-Laser/dp...
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Pittsburgh, PA | When the fan is Not switched on would it be actually Blocking air to the fins? |
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Lavon, TX | Not at the speeds that I travel... |
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| OK so I stopped in to talk to the A-Team while I was in Veags last weekend and they had a bike getting a cooler make over. The desert cooler package is 2 aluminum/fin coolers that mount to the rear of the bike behind the exhaust (really cool set-up). Using this set up also ups your oil capacity to 6 quarts because of oil lines that now will run to the rear of the bike and back to the motor.They also recommeded losing the cat and those two changes get the temps down into the 160-170 range in the heat of summer.The only thing dummy me forgot to ask was what else needs to be changed to loose the cat's I can see that helping get rid of heat but not sure on the pressure/performance loss. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | im glad i dont live in the deep south where this heat is such a issue.. =( |
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Tucson, AZ | Not that I doubt it will work, but I live in Tucson, ride everyday, no matter what the temp is and have never had a Vision overheat. Harleys now is a different story, but thats why I now ride a Vision. I have to think that Victory used the test facility up near Phx. at some point in time for heat management during development of the motor. I just really hate seeing people spend money that is not truely needed. So with that I'll pose a question...Has anybody ever over heated a Vision to the point of engine problems?
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New Bohemia, VA | good question, I won't say I've taken it too the limit, but I've had that little tempature dipstick gage run over 300 degrees. It didn't like it and wanted to keep popping and cutting off. But with 117,900 miles on the bike with no oil usage or smoking, I'll say, "not me". |
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Pittsburgh, PA | wow 300F sounds like parade riding!! i had my 08 get between 250F-275F once. I got caught in construction on I79 in pittsburgh. but once i got through it with in 10 miles the temp went to 205F. |
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| Arkainzeye - 2012-06-12 1:26 AM wow 300F sounds like parade riding!! i had my 08 get between 250F-275F once. I got caught in construction on I79 in pittsburgh. but once i got through it with in 10 miles the temp went to 205F.
Same here - got stuck in bumper to bumper traffic going up a slight grade with temps at 100 degrees. As soon as I got back up to highway speed temp dropped down to normal. yes i could have lane split, legal here in Calif, but I chose not to do that. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Everytime I see this post I think of some biker drink... I think I'll have an oil cooler.... |
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Peru, IN | 230 is fine on most air cooled bikes. Hell, the Twin Cam Harleys run above 300 sometimes. On the other hand, alot of them don't last 80k miles.  Still, I don't think 230 should be a problem. |
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| I got my Desert Packaged installed at the A-Team shop in Las Vegas and have ridden it in 116F temp for 500 miles home to Arizona. It never went over 220F and today it was 101F and never went over 190F. It didn't scorch the hair off my leg. They install two Russell Transmision coolers and heat wrap the pipes and install a Power Commander and dyno tune it. It runs strong and great. Be sure to see it next month in the Thunder Press for pictures. It uses 7 qts of oil. You remove the oil using the drain plug on the motor and too drain the coolers just disconnect one of the rear oil cooler lines. Will give more efficiency data as I put on more miles. |
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Central Maryland | texasgrumpy - 2012-06-12 2:58 PM
OK so I stopped in to talk to the A-Team while I was in Veags last weekend and they had a bike getting a cooler make over. The desert cooler package is 2 aluminum/fin coolers that mount to the rear of the bike behind the exhaust (really cool set-up). Using this set up also ups your oil capacity to 6 quarts because of oil lines that now will run to the rear of the bike and back to the motor.They also recommeded losing the cat and those two changes get the temps down into the 160-170 range in the heat of summer.The only thing dummy me forgot to ask was what else needs to be changed to loose the cat's I can see that helping get rid of heat but not sure on the pressure/performance loss. Could you take a picture and post it? I'd love to see how they installed it.
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| rhino4 - 2012-06-18 11:26 PM
I got my Desert Packaged installed at the A-Team shop in Las Vegas and have ridden it in 116F temp for 500 miles home to Arizona. It never went over 220F and today it was 101F and never went over 190F. It didn't scorch the hair off my leg. They install two Russell Transmision coolers and heat wrap the pipes and install a Power Commander and dyno tune it. It runs strong and great. Be sure to see it next month in the Thunder Press for pictures. It uses 7 qts of oil. You remove the oil using the drain plug on the motor and too drain the coolers just disconnect one of the rear oil cooler lines. Will give more efficiency data as I put on more miles.
Could you post pics for willtill I did not get any in Vegas they did not have everything mounted on the bike they had in for an install. That was one question I didn't ask them was about the need for a power commander since they do the other changes I figured that was needed. |
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| I didn't get any pics they had just started on the install and nothing was mounted up |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i just saw a article on the toyota prius 3Gen. I was curious how it works, and in one of the explainations they described the Importance of the engine getting as quickly as possble to Full operating temp.. They actually use the exhaust to help "warm" the engine up faster. They explained it as 1) saves fuel by the engine being at operating temp, and then 2) Helps the over all health of the engine by burning off condensation which if not burned off and can shorten the oils life and be corrosive to the engine.
i noticed something about my vision.. i have a oil temp dipstick. My ride into work is 12 miles. On my ride in the morning my temp doesnt even get above 150-160. Thats not normal operating temp.
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| HI texasgrumpy that was my bike A-Team was working on installing the two extra coolers. It works great. I drove it home to south/eastern AZ an it never got over 210 on a 108F day at 80-90mph. I really like it. Installed a power commander V and removed the cats an run Amsoil at 7 qts. Runs great!!!! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | rhino4 - 2012-06-25 3:47 AM
HI texasgrumpy that was my bike A-Team was working on installing the two extra coolers. It works great. I drove it home to south/eastern AZ an it never got over 210 on a 108F day at 80-90mph. I really like it. Installed a power commander V and removed the cats an run Amsoil at 7 qts. Runs great!!!!
while i am a amsoil user myself, i have to say 7qts sure is a expensive oil change!!!!! |
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