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Albuquerque, NM | Saw this on ebay for the vision. $249....ouch. Nice specs though.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-10-Victory-Vision-Shorai-Lithium-Ion-Sta...
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| I don't understand spending all that money.
Yuasa is a great bettery for less money. If you take care of like put it on a tender in the winter you will maybe get 5 years
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ROCHESTER,NY | If you REMOVE the battery,bring it inside for the winter. Yes, in the house. I've had a total of 4 different motorcycle's, the Vision being the 4th.So 3 motorcycle's, 28 yrs between the 3, NEVER replaced a battery. Never a tender,or charger hooked up to them. All I did was cut a piece of plywood,a little larger than the battery,put it under my desk out of the way.Put it back in when spring came. No problem.
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Pittsburgh, PA | battery tender is alot easier than removing the battery every winter.. i can plug my BT into the harness in 5 seconds. also great if you dont ride for a little while. Hell i even used it for playing my radio (Vision's radio) in the garage while doing other work. This way no worries about the battery going dead.. |
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| I ride almost year round so I never remove my battery. I put in on the trickle charger when I know I won't be riding for a few days and I never have a problem. I did replace the factory battery after three years but that's something I've done with every bike I've owned. |
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| If you read battery manufactures tell you cool dry place for winter storage. Winter months its on the tender and the coldest the garage has ever been is zero. Tender keep battery from freezing.
Either way a battery only last so long. Just wish they would die in the garage not on the highway. |
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| What's the model type of Yuasa battery for vision? Is it YTX20L-BS? |
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New Mexico | I have a buddy that sells them and says they are the next best thing. Very light, strong, reliable.
http://www.gmanindustries.com/shop/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory...
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Central Maryland | Though not my Vision; I have a Ballistic 16 cell EVO Lithium battery wired in parrallel with a 310 CCA Scorpion AGM battery, on my Triumph Rocket III. It gives me a total of 810 CCA's to turn over that monster 2300cc engine (Especially with the Carpenter Racing engine package upgrade I had done)
Here's a picture. The Lithium battery is under the Power Commander module:
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| nailer - 2012-04-26 8:48 PM Saw this on ebay for the vision. $249....ouch. Nice specs though. http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-10-Victory-Vision-Shorai-Lithium-Ion-Sta... So I looked at your ebay batter and it makes me wounder why dos it the battery not work for the 2011 or 12 Makes me think these guys just sell batterys and don't look to see it still fits. If you can get 5 years out of a normal battery what makes this so special. |
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Central Maryland | johnnyvision - 2012-07-18 5:49 PM
nailer - 2012-04-26 8:48 PM Saw this on ebay for the vision. $249....ouch. Nice specs though. http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-10-Victory-Vision-Shorai-Lithium-Ion-Sta... ? So I looked at your ebay batter and it makes me wounder why dos it the battery not work for the 2011 or 12 Makes me think these guys just sell batterys and don't look to see it still fits. If you can get 5 years out of a normal battery what makes this so special.
1. Smaller
2. Lighter
3. Performs better in the cold
4. Does not sulfate like wet cell battery
5. Does not need a trickle charger |
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Peru, IN | I never plugged my bike in (or took the battery out of the bike) all last winter. Fired right up in the spring. |
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Chattanooga, TN | Monkeyman - 2012-07-21 11:17 AM I never plugged my bike in (or took the battery out of the bike) all last winter. Fired right up in the spring. That's great. Now do it again this winter and let us know how that works out for you. If it still cranks in the spring, repeat one more winter. I like to spend my dollars wisely, as I think most people do and I'd rather spend a few bucks on a battery tender than replacing it due to sulfation every other year. I ride my Vision year round unlike other bikes I've had. But I still use the battery tender if it sits more than a few weeks due to the weather. |
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| In addition to my XC, I have a C-50 Suzuki it is in its 6th year of riding. Original battery, never had any problem with it even if I only ride it once or twice a month. Most of my riding is on my XC. In the winter (norther Utah) I just keep it on a battery tender in my unheated garage. When spring gets here I never keep it plugged in. I thing when the Vic or the Suzuki need a battery I will just stay with the Yuasa. |
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Grand Cane, LA | Funny thing about the lithium battery mentioned, if it is so great, why does it only come with a 2 year manufacturers warranty? A battery that suppose to be that good should be at least good enough for a 5 year warranty! |
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Central Maryland | atvtinker - 2012-07-24 10:05 PM
Funny thing about the lithium battery mentioned, if it is so great, why does it only come with a 2 year manufacturers warranty? A battery that suppose to be that good should be at least good enough for a 5 year warranty!
Not sure about the Shorai Lithium Battery.
Expected life from a Lithium battery (at least my Ballistic) is 5 years. My Ballistic battery warranty is three years. |
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I got a shori lithium battery (27 amp hr) above 18 oem rating.
Bewarned the lithium ion is much much much more sensitive to cold weather. Won't crank my vision if below 60 degrees F. I did a lot of research before I paid $268 dollars but thought the cold weather beneifit of warming up the battery by running lights a few minutes would be a small price in order to have a battery that would work in the coldest of conditions. However, even with moderately cool weather the lithium Shori battery has problems. Hell I live in South Florida and this last weekend when it wouldn't start '"again" I tried warming up the battery with accessory running lights but ended up killing the battery before it would warm up enough to start the bike. This Shori battery is sensitive to cold - yes that was in the research I did but what I read did not hint that it was very very much more sensitive than the typical AGM battery. Note that I upgrade from 18ah to 27 ah but the cold factor was immensely greater than I had assumed.
I am buying another battery today. |
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Jasper, MO | One has to wonder if the new Lithium Ion technology is really ready for prime time. These were made by Yuasa.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/business/boeing-aware-of-battery-...
And it's not just airplanes catching fire from the batteries. Cars and computers too.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/013013-642577-boeing-dream...
I think I'll just stick with the AGM batteries for now.
Ronnie
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | LI XUE WEI - 2012-07-18 3:55 AM
What's the model type of Yuasa battery for vision? Is it YTX20L-BS?
My manual says YTX20HL-BS |
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Jasper, MO | Same here. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I found a seller that had both the 20L and the 20HL listed and the 20L was 270 CCA while the 20HL was 310CCA.
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | rdbudd - 2013-01-31 6:30 PM
Same here. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I found a seller that had both the 20L and the 20HL listed and the 20L was 270 CCA while the 20HL was 310CCA.
Ronnie
Online prices with free shipping:
YTX20L-BS = $42
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Eglin AFB, FL | They catch fire on cars, computers and airplanes and they cost twice as much and when they catch fire you can't put them out. Uhhhhhhh thanks I'll pass. |
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Central Maryland | FlukerM - 2013-01-31 10:00 PM
They catch fire on cars, computers and airplanes and they cost twice as much and when they catch fire you can't put them out. Uhhhhhhh thanks I'll pass.
Scaredy cat 
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Edmonton Alberta, Canada | 2008 vision bought in may of 08 and still original battery and I do not disconnect it during storage. First winter in neighbors attached garage. Second winter in enclosed trailer. Last 3 winters again in neighbors attached garage. Baby put up for winter mid Oct through end of Mar. The coldest would have been in the enclosed trailer, -40 f, neighbors garage maybe -20 as it is attached how ever not heated.
I do not have a battery tender. nor do I put a charger on it in the spring. Typically it is about 50 f when neighbor returns and I need to move bike back to my garage. I just in check oil, and turn the key. Yes it turns a bit slower from the clock drain for all those months. But it has yet to still fail me. I have never ran the battery down listening to the radio, or because of accessories.
I personally feel that all a battery tender does is makes sure your bike fires up, and lets you get down the road only to leave you stranded. I would much rather have the battery fail me in my garage, than 20 miles down the road.
I have gotten 5 years of service out of my battery, and if I need to replace it, I will with a similar battery. My 09 Dodge ram (2nd owner) needed a new battery last spring, daily driver except in the summer where it sometimes sits for up to a week with out starting. Replaced only because it would dip low in voltage after starting and set codes in the computer and caused tranny shift problems. In our climate up north of the 49th -40 to 100 f a bad battery shows it bad side quickly.
Just my own honest opinion, so no need to get excited and tell me how I was just lucky or have an exceptional battery. Just relaying my experience on.
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Conneaut, OH | I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50 |
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Central Maryland | conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
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Central Maryland | bwhittaker - 2013-01-31 10:30 AM
I got a shori lithium battery (27 amp hr) above 18 oem rating.
Bewarned the lithium ion is much much much more sensitive to cold weather. Won't crank my vision if below 60 degrees F. I did a lot of research before I paid $268 dollars but thought the cold weather beneifit of warming up the battery by running lights a few minutes would be a small price in order to have a battery that would work in the coldest of conditions. However, even with moderately cool weather the lithium Shori battery has problems. Hell I live in South Florida and this last weekend when it wouldn't start '"again" I tried warming up the battery with accessory running lights but ended up killing the battery before it would warm up enough to start the bike. This Shori battery is sensitive to cold - yes that was in the research I did but what I read did not hint that it was very very much more sensitive than the typical AGM battery. Note that I upgrade from 18ah to 27 ah but the cold factor was immensely greater than I had assumed.
I am buying another battery today.
I just saw re-read your above post about the Shorai. I agree, there has been other reports from other forums as well; about the less than stellar performance of the Shorai.
We have found that the Ballistic battery is of much better quality as far as performance in extreme conditions; and I can attest to the fact that it is very reliable.
I do also want to make it clear that I do not work for Ballistic nor have any personal gain with that company. I just want to dispel the negative "rumors" of powersport use lithium batteries. A lithium battery that has been properly designed (Ballistic) for auto/motorcycle charging technology and use; is the cat's meow these days. You will pay a little more for it, but you will get much better performance from one; as opposed to wet cell battery technology.
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| lithium batteries
what there lighter not when your pushing the bike
There smaller on a big bike like ours like that matters
There cleaner when jell filed battery's came out the corrosion went a way
You pay more money for them and only can hope they last longer
There recycle time is not as fast as a jell battery |
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Central Maryland | Many men are scared of new technology. It's ok... it won't bite ya... ya gotta shake off that old "Harley Davidson technology like syndrome" on go on into the 21st century... you ride a futuristic bike such as the Vision. Why are you hanging on to old battery technology; when properly designed Lithium's work better?
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Central Maryland | johnnyvision - 2013-02-01 6:38 PM
lithium batteries
what there lighter not when your pushing the bike
There smaller on a big bike like ours like that matters
There cleaner when jell filed battery's came out the corrosion went a way
You pay more money for them and only can hope they last longer
There recycle time is not as fast as a jell battery
1. Never have pushed the Rocket 3 (never would want to anyway)
2. Certainly (but in other applications - important)
3. AGM still will corrode - sorry. My Scorpion AGM battery corroded (within the terminal wells)
4. You pay your money; you take your chances. All batteries are a crap shoot when it comes to longevity
5. Lithium's recover MUCH quicker than a AGM or Wet cell. Matter of fact, I can bring my lithium to full 14.6 charge in 15 minutes on a 2 amp charge from 13.2. How fast can you do that on a AGM?
Lastly... a trickle charger is not required for a Lithium battery during cold weather. It looses less than 10 percent of it's charge over a 12 month period (unless you have parasitic draw from your bike). Then THAT'S YOUR fault!
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | willtill - 2013-02-01 6:00 PM
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
That video is trying to sell people on the Lithium Ion battery, but it shows three tries to get the bike started. I'm on my 5th winter of the original Yuasa and it starts 1st time every time. The old technology Yuasa cranks like a champ in any temp. I don't want to spend 5 mins every day after work trying to start my bike. Especially when other people are around. It makes the bike look like a POS and wastes my time.
Hydrogen cells are in the works (actually been around quite a while). It will quickly make Li-ion obsolete when it hits the market. They have 20,000 charge cycles and can last well over 10yrs. Most Li-ion have only 300~500 charge cycles and only last 3~5yrs. Li-ion batteries are great for cordless tools and cell phones due to their power, weight, and size. But, they are not practical for daily driver vehicles which see temperature extremes. I believe the Li-ion generation will be short lived due to much better technology coming down the pike.
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SF Bay Area | From my experience LI batteries make excellent power initially, and have a long shelf charge life... but when drained down beyond approx 50% they lose charge really fast... much faster than a regular lead/acid battery. Basically, they are great if you can keep them fully charged, but when low they may not be able to start your bike.
I think gel cell batteries are the best compromise, they behave like a lead acid battery, and are safe to ship, and in the case of the Oddysey, can be installed at any angle. For me, any lead acid battery that has close to 300CCA, and will fit in my bike will work for me. |
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Jasper, MO | willtill - 2013-02-01 5:00 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
Interesting.... Ballistic battery involved. http://forums.thevmc.com/bb/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=129221&posts...
Ronnie
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Central Maryland | That thread/link you posted is restricted. What did it entail? |
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Jasper, MO | Really? I just clicked on it and I can still see it.
It's a long post, but it involved a fellow who was having starting and running issues with his 2012 Vision. He ended up replacing his starter and battery, the first time with a Ballistic battery. The new starter fixed his starting problem, but the bike still had a lot of codes in the ECU, which a top wrench cleared with a Victory Digital Wrench, but the surging and stalling issues remained. Since nothing else they had tried worked, they swapped out the Ballistic battery for an OEM Yuasa battery and the bike straightened right up. The thinking that the owner and the mechanic (one of the top ones in the country) have now is that even though the Ballistic battery has a high CCA rating (410), it has a low reserve rating. Cranking the bike (if it doesn't start immediately) draws the battery down to too low a voltage, causing the ECU to get confused and possibly could cause the starter failure in the first place. The starter was burned up due to a cracked original battery--low voltage--and that battery was replaced by the Ballistic.
Strangely, simply replacing an almost new 12 cell Ballistic battery with an OEM battery is all it took to clear up the surging and stalling.
The owner contacted Ballistic and they suggested he should use their 16 cell battery instead of the 12 cell he has.
One of the top wrenches in the country is now developing a database to see if there is any correlation between Lithium Ion batteries and running issues and/or starter failures. No definite conclusions have been made yet.
Ronnie
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| This April will be 5 years and over 48,000 miles on my OE battery. On my previous touring bikes, 2 Honda Goldwings and a 2nd generation Yamaha Venture Royale I changed out batteries every 3 years regardless of mileage simply to be safe for trips. I haven't always put it on a tender when I haven't been able to ride for over a couple of weeks but I'm doing so now as my garage is now heated and I don't know what the constant 65 degree temperatures would do to the AGM battery's ability to maintain a charge, cooler temperatures do tend to increase battery life when they are not being cycled as they are when you are starting, riding, stopping, and repeating that cycle every few hours on a daily basis. |
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Conneaut, OH | willtill - 2013-02-01 6:00 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
I asked Riders Discount because they sell Ballistic batteries and were offering a good deal on them and I was all set to buy one but they advised against it.... they suggested I stick with a traditional battery they didn't attempt to sell me any other battery they just didn't want a dissatisfied customer. |
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Central Maryland | conn-e-rot - 2013-02-05 3:19 PM
willtill - 2013-02-01 6:00 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
I asked Riders Discount because they sell Ballistic batteries and were offering a good deal on them and I was all set to buy one but they advised against it.... they suggested I stick with a traditional battery they didn't attempt to sell me any other battery they just didn't want a dissatisfied customer.
Mmmm. Something doesn't seem quite right. They sell Ballistic batteries. But they advise against selling you one because they don't want a dissatisfied customer? Why do they carry and sell Ballistic batteries then?
Things don't quite add up here. Why are they carrying a product (Ballistic) and not willing to sell it to you? What's the reason? Claiming that they do not want a dissatisfied customer doesn't really offer anything here... information wise.
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Conneaut, OH | willtill - 2013-02-05 4:57 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-05 3:19 PM
willtill - 2013-02-01 6:00 PM
conn-e-rot - 2013-02-01 10:21 AM
I asked riders discount about a ballistic battery and they said they would not recommend one for anyone that rides when temps are below 50
Why don't you ask Ballistic Battery? What the hell does Riders Discount know?
Watch the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
...and read the FAQ's: http://www.ballisticparts.com/tech/faq.php
I asked Riders Discount because they sell Ballistic batteries and were offering a good deal on them and I was all set to buy one but they advised against it.... they suggested I stick with a traditional battery they didn't attempt to sell me any other battery they just didn't want a dissatisfied customer.
Mmmm. Something doesn't seem quite right. They sell Ballistic batteries. But they advise against selling you one because they don't want a dissatisfied customer? Why do they carry and sell Ballistic batteries then?
Things don't quite add up here. Why are they carrying a product (Ballistic) and not willing to sell it to you? What's the reason? Claiming that they do not want a dissatisfied customer doesn't really offer anything here... information wise.
They said due to poor performance in colder temps |
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