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Dallas, Texas | With temperatures reaching triple digits in summertime, I was looking into another oil, and found this:
Elf MOTO Sport 4 10W-60 Campione
Has anyone heard of it? And would we benefit from a higher viscosity in really hot weather? And it is JASO MA rated.
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| I would be careful..Lots of snake oils out there that are not, in reality, any better than stock Vic oil...But to each his own....... |
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Central Maryland | Change your oil a little more often in the summer months; if you're concerned about it. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | there is absolutely NO reason to use a w60 oil... NONE.... just about any oil is designed to withstand 100F weather. is anything a w60 oil will delay cold start oil flow to critical moving parts. and may very well created issues with the hydralic adjusting valves. (too thick). the thickness of a oil is not the asnwer to your heat worries... a synthetic oil is designed for this "among other" very reason... that 10w60 is (2) visocity indexs Higher than the oem requires.. i can see going to a 20w50, but i would NOT go with a 10w60... there is Nothing to gain and Only to loose from doing this...
this is the oil i use ALL YEAR around.. give it a read to understand what i was talking about..
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mcf.aspx
Edited by Arkainzeye 2012-03-12 3:44 PM
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| iluvink
If there was a demand or benefit to higher oil don't you think victory would sell it.
Yes in the old days we did but then the motors were not as good an the oil's were very pour quality. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | john frey - 2012-03-12 6:07 PM
iluvink
If there was a demand or benefit to higher oil don't you think victory would sell it.
Yes in the old days we did but then the motors were not as good an the oil's were very pour quality.
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Central Maryland | Coincidentally; I just changed my oil tonight. Simple as pie on the Vision. Used the Vic oil change kit. Now have 1.5 qts leftover, what weird amount of packaging.... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | willtill - 2012-03-12 6:52 PM
Coincidentally; I just changed my oil tonight. Simple as pie on the Vision. Used the Vic oil change kit. Now have 1.5 qts leftover, what weird amount of packaging....
yeah it is weird. cause if you buy another kit now you have 3 qts left over! i dont think ANY of the victory motorcycles takes that much oil ..... the kit is a little too universal.. (atvs and what not). |
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New Bohemia, VA | no way, no how would I run a 60 in this engine. I did the Amsoil 20w50 motorcycle oil during the trip to the desert and felt I made the right choice. When I returned home, 40 went back into the crankcase. |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | Arkainzeye - 2012-03-12 8:28 PM
willtill - 2012-03-12 6:52 PM
Coincidentally; I just changed my oil tonight. Simple as pie on the Vision. Used the Vic oil change kit. Now have 1.5 qts leftover, what weird amount of packaging....
yeah it is weird. cause if you buy another kit now you have 3 qts left over! i dont think ANY of the victory motorcycles takes that much oil ..... the kit is a little too universal.. (atvs and what not).
It is a Victory specific kit. The 92" motors from 99 to 06 all took six quarts. The ATVs take 2 quarts of 0W50 full synthetic. Yes that is a ZERO |
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Pittsburgh, PA | kevinx - 2012-03-12 8:38 PM
Arkainzeye - 2012-03-12 8:28 PM
willtill - 2012-03-12 6:52 PM
Coincidentally; I just changed my oil tonight. Simple as pie on the Vision. Used the Vic oil change kit. Now have 1.5 qts leftover, what weird amount of packaging....
yeah it is weird. cause if you buy another kit now you have 3 qts left over! i dont think ANY of the victory motorcycles takes that much oil ..... the kit is a little too universal.. (atvs and what not).
It is a Victory specific kit. The 92" motors from 99 to 06 all took six quarts. The ATVs take 2 quarts of 0W50 full synthetic. Yes that is a ZERO
actually 0w50 makes Perfect sense..... you get the protection of a w50 but the COLD START of a 0w, and im pretty sure atvs are used in all weather. at least they were when i was knee high to a grasshopper. =) |
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| ahh grasshopper - when you can snatch the pebble from my hand ...  |
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Kansas City, MO | Amsoil - you will never go wrong. They exceed OEM by leaps and bounds - and I dont care who the OEM was |
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Dallas, Texas | Arkainzeye - 2012-03-13 7:19 AM
kevinx - 2012-03-12 8:38 PM
Arkainzeye - 2012-03-12 8:28 PM
willtill - 2012-03-12 6:52 PM
Coincidentally; I just changed my oil tonight. Simple as pie on the Vision. Used the Vic oil change kit. Now have 1.5 qts leftover, what weird amount of packaging....
yeah it is weird. cause if you buy another kit now you have 3 qts left over! i dont think ANY of the victory motorcycles takes that much oil ..... the kit is a little too universal.. (atvs and what not).
It is a Victory specific kit. The 92" motors from 99 to 06 all took six quarts. The ATVs take 2 quarts of 0W50 full synthetic. Yes that is a ZERO
actually 0w50 makes Perfect sense..... you get the protection of a w50 but the COLD START of a 0w, and im pretty sure atvs are used in all weather. at least they were when i was knee high to a grasshopper. =)
Wait now, not that I am going to use it, because basically, I was really just curious, about this oil, and the 10W60 weight. But then again, why is 20W/50, 0W/50, or 10W/40 seem to be reasonable but 10W/60, is not. It would have the cold start of 10W...but a bit more resilient with 60 at higher temps..I'm just sayin'.... oh, and this oil is a full syn from Europe. Recommended in Ducatis.
Like I said, I won't use it probably, but I don't think that it would do any damage, or make our engines explode. |
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Fountain Inn, SC United States | Forget about oil weights, the Elf MOTO Sport 4 10W-60 Campione is $16.49/qt!!!! |
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New Bohemia, VA | Jedi Jeff - 2012-03-13 1:32 PM Forget about oil weights, the Elf MOTO Sport 4 10W-60 Campione is $16.49/qt!!!! Therefore we should use it, it must be the best...
Edited by varyder 2012-03-13 2:21 PM
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Dallas, Texas | Jedi Jeff - 2012-03-13 12:32 PM
Forget about oil weights, the Elf MOTO Sport 4 10W-60 Campione is $16.49/qt!!!!
Well, you can find a case of liters (6) for about $51.99. Still a bit high. |
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| kris1956 - 2012-03-12 3:58 PM I use Rotella T6 year round. +1 |
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Central New York | Ahh the all too familiar oil thread. A good summer oil should have at least an SPF 50, so says the American Cancer Society. |
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Dallas, Texas | glighto11 - 2012-03-13 9:48 PM
Ahh the all too familiar oil thread. A good summer oil should have at least an SPF 50, so says the American Cancer Society.
Now don't we all feel just a bit better having a good ol' oil thread? Nothing brightens my day like an oil thread.  |
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Brighton, TN | I say give it a go and check it out and report back. Nothing like real live data. And if Ducatis can use it, I don't see how we can't! Git'R Dun! |
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | iluvink - 2012-03-13 11:55 AM
Arkainzeye - 2012-03-13 7:19 AM
kevinx - 2012-03-12 8:38 PM
Arkainzeye - 2012-03-12 8:28 PM
willtill - 2012-03-12 6:52 PM
Coincidentally; I just changed my oil tonight. Simple as pie on the Vision. Used the Vic oil change kit. Now have 1.5 qts leftover, what weird amount of packaging....
yeah it is weird. cause if you buy another kit now you have 3 qts left over! i dont think ANY of the victory motorcycles takes that much oil ..... the kit is a little too universal.. (atvs and what not).
It is a Victory specific kit. The 92" motors from 99 to 06 all took six quarts. The ATVs take 2 quarts of 0W50 full synthetic. Yes that is a ZERO
actually 0w50 makes Perfect sense..... you get the protection of a w50 but the COLD START of a 0w, and im pretty sure atvs are used in all weather. at least they were when i was knee high to a grasshopper. =)
Wait now, not that I am going to use it, because basically, I was really just curious, about this oil, and the 10W60 weight. But then again, why is 20W/50, 0W/50, or 10W/40 seem to be reasonable but 10W/60, is not. It would have the cold start of 10W...but a bit more resilient with 60 at higher temps..I'm just sayin'.... oh, and this oil is a full syn from Europe. Recommended in Ducatis.
Like I said, I won't use it probably, but I don't think that it would do any damage, or make our engines explode.
I think it would make the lifters pump out likean old Mitsubishi but I might be wrong |
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Bluff Park, Alabama - God's Country! 2011 PW VV | Use it to spray for Mosquitoes!
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I think it would make the lifters pump out likean old Mitsubishi but I might be wrong |
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New Bohemia, VA | stopped and got gas yesterday then spent about 30 minutes talking Vics and Harley's with a guy that had a Hammer. He's riding a Harley that his dad gave him after his Hammer was stolen, but was asking me how I liked the Vision. Talking about mileage led to an oil conversation and you know what he revealed to me? Now mind you, he was only using HD oil in his bike because it is an HD recommended oil. But he told me that he read an independant test results that revealed that....hold on...that the best oil that comes out on top is....AMSOIL!!!!! He was wondering why I wasn't using it and I think I disappointed him when I told him I didn't see the difference in my motor whether I used Amsoil or Rotella. But I did tell him I'm also going to stick (no pun intended) with the Victory oil from here on out with 3,000 mile oil changes.
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | varyder - 2012-03-15 6:59 AM
stopped and got gas yesterday then spent about 30 minutes talking Vics and Harley's with a guy that had a Hammer. He's riding a Harley that his dad gave him after his Hammer was stolen, but was asking me how I liked the Vision. Talking about mileage led to an oil conversation and you know what he revealed to me? Now mind you, he was only using HD oil in his bike because it is an HD recommended oil. But he told me that he read an independant test results that revealed that....hold on...that the best oil that comes out on top is....AMSOIL!!!!! He was wondering why I wasn't using it?and I think I disappointed him when I told him I didn't see the difference in my motor whether I used Amsoil or Rotella. But I did tell him I'm also going to stick (no pun intended) with the Victory oil from here on out with 3,000 mile oil changes.
I'm sure he was reading the white sheet. Looks like an independent test, but is in fact from Amsoil |
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Pittsburgh, PA | How did the amsoil do in your bike for the first 100,000+ miles? Now that you are back to oem oil hows the clutch?
Btw, have you ever noticed the amsoil tests show that victory oil is actuall good oil! Alot better than other name brands...
Edited by Arkainzeye 2012-03-15 10:41 AM
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New Bohemia, VA | Kevin, and Chris... Yes, I've read the AMSOIL report that looks like an independant test, I thought it was funny that he even brought the subject up while we were talking about bikes and mileage. I don't believe I've ever said that Vic oil is bad oil. On application there were things that I did not like from the beginning; the start up tick until the oil was flowing, and the 2,000 mile rattle that would drive me crazy until I changed the oil. The full syn oils did not do these things like the Vic oil did. I would get the death rattle with full synthetic around 5 to 6 miles, almost three times the Vic oil. Also, with the 5w or 0w oil, cold weather starting seemed painless. But, I believe the test that a dino oil is stickier on wet-clutch applications, it only makes sense. The full synthetic brags on the slickiness of their oil, something that you don't want your clutch to do. I use the word preceive when I describe my clutch slippage because when I really try to concentrate on it, I really can't tell the difference from a general point of view. I probably stop and go 30 times a day, and most of the time I'm taking off like I'm in a sprint race. I get away from lights and I'm at least 5 to 10 car length when it seems like the cars at the light just realized the light changed. Onto the interstate I'm doing 80 on the ramp chute to blend into the flow of traffic. So my body and brain knows what it feels all the time. A few weeks ago it seemed like the take offs and hard roll-ons felt "rounded" and not sharp like they were. I figure it was oil change time, but even before with previous oil change time I never noticed that feeling. My goal at this point is to make the clutch live as long as possible so I'm making adjustments toward that end. However, I've hit it hard several times with the fresh Vic oil and it feels sharp, like it is suppose to. Also, assuming the tolerance are not as tight, I don't get the morning start up tick with the Vic oil, and I'm awaiting to see what she sound like at the 2,000 mile mark. Regardless, I'll still hit 3,000 before I change the oil, but no later. Okay, more oil debate, I just hope Don E. Tracy is out riding with misses and ignores this thread all together. I hate to aggrevate a friend like that.  |
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