From Victory's own words!
varyder
Posted 2012-02-03 2:20 PM (#106786)
Subject: From Victory's own words!


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Okay - I feel like I have a collector's item already, but the value of my bike is just about to go up. Victory has called the Cross Country Tour "The Ultimate Touring Machine". Okay, so what do they think of the Vision now? Is that someone writting on the wall....
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azllerbob
Posted 2012-02-03 2:45 PM (#106788 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


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Parkersburg WV
The ONLY and I mean ONLY thing the Cross has over the Vision is the larger storage space. I own a Vision, have ridden a Cross and there is no way the Cross is a smoother,beter ride than the Vision.
In my book the Vision will always be #1 and the Cross #2 But I want you guys to buy the Cross bike so not every Tom Dick and Harry will have a bike as special as mine LOL

Bob
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OldGringo
Posted 2012-02-04 9:50 AM (#106848 - in reply to #106788)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


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Republic of Tejas
azllerbob - 2012-02-03 2:45 PM

The ONLY and I mean ONLY thing the Cross has over the Vision is the larger storage space. I own a Vision, have ridden a Cross and there is no way the Cross is a smoother,beter ride than the Vision.
In my book the Vision will always be #1 and the Cross #2 But I want you guys to buy the Cross bike so not every Tom Dick and Harry will have a bike as special as mine LOL

Bob


+1 what Bob said
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opas ride
Posted 2012-02-04 11:00 AM (#106855 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Tourer

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I have to admit I like the removable bags and trunk on the CCT. Makes for easier cleaning of the rear end and checking tire...But having ridden both I will stick with my Vision...It is like no other bike out there and I love mine.......Thanks
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roundtwig
Posted 2012-02-04 11:13 AM (#106856 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: RE: From Victory's own words!


Cruiser

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flagstaff, AZ
varyder - 2012-02-03 1:20 PM

Okay - I feel like I have a collector's item already, but the value of my bike is just about to go up. Victory has called the Cross Country Tour "The Ultimate Touring Machine". Okay, so what do they think of the Vision now? Is that someone writting on the wall....


COOL, I have never owned a collectors item! but I do plan to de-value it by riding the hell out of it
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joeC
Posted 2012-02-04 11:23 AM (#106859 - in reply to #106788)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


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azllerbob - 2012-02-03 3:45 PM

The ONLY and I mean ONLY thing the Cross has over the Vision is the larger storage space. I own a Vision, have ridden a Cross and there is no way the Cross is a smoother,beter ride than the Vision.
In my book the Vision will always be #1 and the Cross #2 But I want you guys to buy the Cross bike so not every Tom Dick and Harry will have a bike as special as mine LOL

Bob


Right On Brother!... I totally agree!... In the beginning I wanted the new Cross Country when if first came out but could never get one due to the demand... however the dealership was able to get a 2009 Vision Tour Premium... I didn't like the looks at first, however the looks started growing on me..then, after I took a test ride I was completely sold on the Vision! I had to have it; its the best handling touring bike out there! I test rode a Cross Country 2010 and although it has a nice ride.. the Vision is better!..
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varyder
Posted 2012-02-04 11:58 AM (#106860 - in reply to #106856)
Subject: RE: From Victory's own words!


Visionary

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New Bohemia, VA

roundtwig - 2012-02-04 12:13 PM

varyder - 2012-02-03 1:20 PM

Okay - I feel like I have a collector's item already, but the value of my bike is just about to go up. Victory has called the Cross Country Tour "The Ultimate Touring Machine". Okay, so what do they think of the Vision now? Is that someone writting on the wall....


COOL, I have never owned a collectors item! but I do plan to de-value it by riding the hell out of it

I like to stir this conversation up occassionally because I have not doubt in my mind I've got the best bike on the planet.  As I tranverse life I realize more and more folks are more worried over image than anything else.  It seems image sells faster than anything, and while the Cross Bikes, including the CCT is a cut above the competition, it is no Vision, period.  I rode a CC when it first came out and I said, "So."  I test road a Harley last year and I asked, "Really, this is what people want?"  I knew right then that image is what sold.  The sales folks were more set on "customizing" it for you, and all I heard was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, reallizing the Vision was customized for me at the factory, and that for the price any Victory is a far better value. 

Yep, the Vision keeps exceeding my expectations and the one I'm riding now will go into my musuem when either it or I can no longer get down the highway. 



Edited by varyder 2012-02-04 12:00 PM
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XRsteve
Posted 2012-02-04 1:07 PM (#106862 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


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Hope not, but if it does none of us can do a damn thing about it........... Dropping a model that still sells is not good business..........
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varyder
Posted 2012-02-04 1:38 PM (#106869 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Visionary

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New Bohemia, VA
Not that it matters overall, I'm more curious than anything of what is being said about the Vision in corporate meetings. The fact that the CCT is the higher priced of the touring realm doesn't bother me as much as seeing it with the tag line of "ultimate touring bike", of course it is only touting the storage size. Is Victory feeling the market to see what to continue investment in? Yeah, I know, they spent millions on R&D for the Vision and it has paid off. The Cross bikes use basically the same platform as the Vision, so nothing would be lost. With the price being lower than the CCT I'm sure folks will feel they would be missing something by making the purchase over the CCT. I don't see the demise of the Vision anytime soon, but I do see Victory using the CCT as their ultimate flagship here on out.
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Trekwolf164
Posted 2012-02-04 1:58 PM (#106870 - in reply to #106869)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Iron Butt

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varyder - 2012-02-04 1:38 PM

Not that it matters overall, I'm more curious than anything of what is being said about the Vision in corporate meetings. The fact that the CCT is the higher priced of the touring realm doesn't bother me as much as seeing it with the tag line of "ultimate touring bike", of course it is only touting the storage size. Is Victory feeling the market to see what to continue investment in? Yeah, I know, they spent millions on R&D for the Vision and it has paid off. The Cross bikes use basically the same platform as the Vision, so nothing would be lost. With the price being lower than the CCT I'm sure folks will feel they would be missing something by making the purchase over the CCT. I don't see the demise of the Vision anytime soon, but I do see Victory using the CCT as their ultimate flagship here on out.


Polaris thinks The Hard Ball ,High ball and the Judge are new models.

So inteligent design is beyound their grasp.
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CoolHandLuke
Posted 2012-02-04 2:17 PM (#106872 - in reply to #106860)
Subject: RE: From Victory's own words!


Iron Butt

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varyder - 2012-02-04 12:58 PM

have never owned a collectors item! but I do plan to de-value it by riding the hell out of it
Yep,?the Vision keeps exceeding my expectations and the one I'm riding?now will go into my musuem when either?it or I can no longer get down the highway.?

Well said, my friends !
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Bad Horsie
Posted 2012-02-04 6:42 PM (#106890 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: RE: From Victory's own words!


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 24
Alberta
I have been a motorcycle enthusiast since I first got my license in the early eighties. During the years past I was getting so bored with the same bikes over and over again. Manufacturers changing bits of plastic on the same old frames. I loved the concept bikes being showed but nothing ever materialized. Bike owners seem to be quite stubborn to change. I love the style, shape, and fit of my Vision. I think all of the OEM's build cruisers and touring cruisers because deep down EVERYONE wants a Harley and all the OEM's WANT their bikes to look like a Harley. The Harley is THE KING of bikes, so why not manufacture knock offs. The Victory Vision , Honda Goldwing and the BMW tourers will never follow the "I wish I was a Harley" thinking and that's why those are my favorite bikes.
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johnnyvision
Posted 2012-02-04 7:30 PM (#106894 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: RE: From Victory's own words!


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varyder - 2012-02-03 2:20 PM Okay - I feel like I have a collector's item already, but the value of my bike is just about to go up. Victory has called the Cross Country Tour "The Ultimate Touring Machine". Okay, so what do they think of the Vision now? Is that someone writting on the wall....

 

I thought the same thing when I found this in my email.

X bikes complain more about this and that then the vision owners. I have a friend that test road one in Az for 5 days and had it shipped home to him and with in two week

sold it cause he just plain didn't like it. 

With owning more bikes over the years then most I can honestly say that when I put my head on the pillow I ask the Lord if I can ride the vision one more

no make then ten thousand more times. 

I love looking at each and every vision I see and can't wait to ride mine. 

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marcparnes
Posted 2012-02-05 11:59 AM (#106931 - in reply to #106894)
Subject: RE: From Victory's own words!


Iron Butt

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john frey - 2012-02-04 4:30 PM

With owning more bikes over the years then most I can honestly say that when I put my head on the pillow I ask the Lord if I can ride the vision one more no make then ten thousand more times.

That's a very nice thing to say John.

Marc
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Rollin'
Posted 2012-02-05 12:39 PM (#106936 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: RE: From Victory's own words!


Iron Butt

Posts: 825
, WI

Based on logic and reason I think the Cross Country Tour would be a great bike to buy for touring.

Someday when I grow up I might use logic and reason when I buy a bike.

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MaddMAx2u
Posted 2012-02-05 7:46 PM (#106965 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Iron Butt

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Orlando, FL
We all know the emphasis will be on the cross bikes, as they emulate the look of a Harley, America's Sweetheart Bike. That's just good business, as the biggest mrekt is the HD look a like. The Vision had 4 years (8,9,10,11) to make it's mark and the mainstream biker just didn't bite. They want a road ornament, an outdated icon, they want to be like everyone else. Even Sonny Barger can't change that in 4 years!
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jimtom
Posted 2012-02-06 6:27 AM (#106990 - in reply to #106862)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


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XRsteve - 2012-02-04 12:07 PM

Hope not, but if it does none of us can do a damn thing about it........... Dropping a model that still sells is not good business..........


Makes me think of the original honda Valkyrie. Never understood why they stopped making it.
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Tarpits99
Posted 2012-02-06 9:49 AM (#107005 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Iron Butt

Posts: 742
North Orange County CA
Among the many tradeoffs that buyers of a "The Ultimate Touring Machine" have to make for all that much ballyhooed "additional" carrying capacity is ........ wait for it.......LESS CARRYING CAPACITY.

Vision Tour GVWR 1414lbs - CC Tour GVW 1360lbs.

Exactly 54 lbs less carrying capacity disguised as an additional 12 "gallons" of storage space. Now that, my friends is MARKETING!


Aw Hell, I just broke my new year resolution. I wasn't going to be sarcastic this year.

Edited by Tarpits99 2012-02-06 9:50 AM
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varyder
Posted 2012-02-06 10:30 AM (#107014 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Visionary

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New Bohemia, VA
Well, I guess it works out; the Vision is for fat-old geezers that know how to pack and the CCT is for skinny-slim yuppie biker want-a-bees that don't know how to pack. Truth is not sarcasm...
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jimtom
Posted 2012-02-06 10:33 AM (#107015 - in reply to #107005)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


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Sand Rock, AL United States
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Aw Hell, I just broke my new year resolution. I wasn't going to be sarcastic this year.

hahahahaha! That's funny right there!
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Cometman
Posted 2012-02-06 10:45 AM (#107016 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Tourer

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Simi Valley, CA
Funny.... for all the long trips I have done on my Vision, I never once thought during the ride..... "I wish I had more storage space"...
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varyder
Posted 2012-02-06 12:27 PM (#107027 - in reply to #106965)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


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MaddMAx2u - 2012-02-05 8:46 PM We all know the emphasis will be on the cross bikes, as they emulate the look of a Harley, America's Sweetheart Bike. That's just good business, as the biggest mrekt is the HD look a like. The Vision had 4 years (8,9,10,11) to make it's mark and the mainstream biker just didn't bite. They want a road ornament, an outdated icon, they want to be like everyone else. Even Sonny Barger can't change that in 4 years!

I relish in the fact I got my Vision before Sonny got his.  I don't think simply because he rides a Vision, all the rest would sheepishly follow, no way.  It is well known also the Sonny never really cared for HD and regrets making that a "requirement" for the 81.  Sonny rides the Vision simply for the same reason the rest of us do, for the comfort and the ride.  I'm not sure if he still does, but he used to put on as many miles in a year that took four years for me to do.  As far as the looks, I'm not sure how he feels.  And Sonny has had an influence for the brand and for the Vision. In the summer of 2011 edition of the Victory magazine it says that 3 of the main guys of HA bought a Vision, and I believe there is at least a few others also.  Sonny's appearence on SOA may also have something to do with the fact the show will feature Victorys, I don't know what model, and it could be a rumor, but that's what I heard.

I just want to know what corporate thinks of the Vision...can anyone turn themselves into a fly?



Edited by varyder 2012-02-06 12:34 PM
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Webhair
Posted 2012-02-06 12:39 PM (#107028 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Iron Butt

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Peachtree City, GA
Ok - I will give them the "The Ultimate Touring Machine" title... After all the Vision was titled ""The Ultimate Luxury Touring motorcycle" at one time.

LOL - simply play on marketing words.

I have ridden the XC and XCT... I still like my Vision so much better!

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kris1956
Posted 2012-02-06 1:32 PM (#107030 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Iron Butt

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I wouldn't trade my Vision for a XCT. I test rode one when they came out and just didn't care for it.
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roundtwig
Posted 2012-02-06 3:21 PM (#107039 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: RE: From Victory's own words!


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flagstaff, AZ
it seems odd, but I actually feel a bit cramped on the XCT. I've had my Vision two years and only just now feelt I'm sarting to make her mine.
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MaddMAx2u
Posted 2012-02-07 8:40 PM (#107163 - in reply to #106990)
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Iron Butt

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Orlando, FL
jimtom - 2012-02-06 7:27 AM

Makes me think of the original honda Valkyrie. Never understood why they stopped making it.


Wow, just the other day I was admiring a Valkyrie. I never understood why they dropped that model either. It's like a "sport" gold wing. I was thinking about trying to find one just to have that gorgeous ride in my Garage.

Like a lot of us I too have ridden the X Bikes. Rode them before I bought my Vision in fact. I bought the Vision and that says it all for me! Best big bike ride in existence today, bar none.

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varyder
Posted 2012-02-07 8:47 PM (#107164 - in reply to #107163)
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MaddMAx2u - 2012-02-07 9:40 PM jimtom - 2012-02-06 7:27 AM Makes me think of the original honda Valkyrie. Never understood why they stopped making it. Wow, just the other day I was admiring a Valkyrie. I never understood why they dropped that model either. It's like a "sport" gold wing. I was thinking about trying to find one just to have that gorgeous ride in my Garage. Like a lot of us I too have ridden the X Bikes. Rode them before I bought my Vision in fact. I bought the Vision and that says it all for me! Best big bike ride in existence today, bar none.

I had entertained at one time getting a Valkyrie, definetly before I knew what Victory was or before the Vision existed.  However, after sitting on it, I felt like I was sitting on an ox.  The guy who rode was a big fellow so it fit him well.  I was rather disappointed that it didn't fit me.  Sadly, it wasn't too long after that he nearly lost his life on the bike when he lost it in a curve.   He no longer rides...

It would be nice to see Victory put a little more emphasis on the Vision, or shine a different light on it.  It seems that they have a hard time on multi-marking the their bikes.

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marcparnes
Posted 2012-02-07 9:34 PM (#107168 - in reply to #106786)
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Iron Butt

Posts: 802
You know what is a shame is that the Vision's look is so polarizing that lots of people who don't know anything about it never realize how spectacular it is in handling, ride, comfort, wind control, etc. When most approach me to ask about it all they want to talk about is what it looks like and all I want to talk about are its attributes as a motorcycle. The Vision is probably one of if not the best all around performing big bikes available and hardly anybody knows it. I for one really hope that when Polaris finally fazes it out they don't totally give up on the fixed fairing genre altogether. My friend has a Cross Country Tour and I don't find it anywhere near the ride the Vision is. Besides, I've had his fairing and lowers off and the quality of the components are at a noticeably lower level than what makes up the Vision. There was some definite cost cutting in play when they developed the Cross bikes.

Marc
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kris1956
Posted 2012-02-08 5:41 AM (#107180 - in reply to #107168)
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Iron Butt

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marcparnes - 2012-02-07 9:34 PM You know what is a shame is that the Vision's look is so polarizing that lots of people who don't know anything about it never realize how spectacular it is in handling, ride, comfort, wind control, etc. When most approach me to ask about it all they want to talk about is what it looks like and all I want to talk about are its attributes as a motorcycle. The Vision is probably one of if not the best all around performing big bikes available and hardly anybody knows it. I for one really hope that when Polaris finally fazes it out they don't totally give up on the fixed fairing genre altogether. My friend has a Cross Country Tour and I don't find it anywhere near the ride the Vision is. Besides, I've had his fairing and lowers off and the quality of the components are at a noticeably lower level than what makes up the Vision. There was some definite cost cutting in play when they developed the Cross bikes. Marc

 This rings true for me as well. I live in the Dallas area and I can't count the number of people that ask me what kind of bike my Vision is. I had one guy recently ask me if it was a kit bike. I find that most people like the look, I just wish Polaris would do a little more marketing before they give up on it, if thats their intention. The bike performs extremely well and is such a joy to ride. I looked at another HD and buying another Wing. Had I gone in that direction I'm sure I wouldn't have enjoyed either as much as the Vision.

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gottavision
Posted 2012-02-08 7:13 AM (#107185 - in reply to #106786)
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Puddle Jumper

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Don't really care what others call the ultimate touring machine. My Vision is MY ULTIMATE TOURING MACHINE!!! I don't feel threatened, and nobody can change mind about what I know to be true for me. AMEN!


08 Midnight cherry
lowered 2"
Lloydz cams
Lloydz Intake system
Fuel controller
D&D pipes
Chromed out around motor
Gustaffson smoked flip windshield
Blacked out lights
Black painted Access panel,front grille,grab bars,console
Tribal custom air brush paint
Hawg wired stereo
Muth turn signals
lowered front rear fender
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varyder
Posted 2012-02-08 9:08 AM (#107195 - in reply to #106786)
Subject: Re: From Victory's own words!


Visionary

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New Bohemia, VA
I don't really care either, either way. It's not I'm feeling threatened either. I'm a long haul kind of guy and I run my machines until they wear out. In the event that my '08 wears out, I know there will be enough low mileagers out there that I could procure at a reasonable price in a few years, even if they don't make them past 2013. My point is, is how Ma Vic protrays the Vision in comparison to it's baby sister, the CCT as though she's the classier of the two.
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kris1956
Posted 2012-02-08 9:28 AM (#107197 - in reply to #107195)
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Iron Butt

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varyder - 2012-02-08 9:08 AM I don't really care either, either way. It's not I'm feeling threatened either. I'm a long haul kind of guy and I run my machines until they wear out. In the event that my '08 wears out, I know there will be enough low mileagers out there that I could procure at a reasonable price in a few years, even if they don't make them past 2013. My point is, is how Ma Vic protrays the Vision in comparison to it's baby sister, the CCT as though she's the classier of the two.

 We're saying the same thing. I think more people would ride the Vision if it was marketed more on its performance and less on its looks. That being said, if they decide to stop making it, I'll buy another one a year or so after the final production run.

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TRELL
Posted 2012-02-08 2:15 PM (#107236 - in reply to #106786)
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Rode about every victory there is I'll stick with the vision.The bike suit me in about every way. The GL1800 spent over $5000 trying to get it to fit us never did, within the 1st. few miles we knew right away we like the visions the fit. THE GEORGE JETSON MOBILE.

Edited by TRELL 2012-02-08 2:17 PM
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8-ball
Posted 2012-02-08 5:12 PM (#107245 - in reply to #106786)
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Tourer

Posts: 457
Green Bay, WI United States
The Vision is "King" but I do like having the TCD "Queen" as a way to break up my rides. Love them both but if one had to go the "bitch" would get the door.....


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loren2
Posted 2012-02-12 10:01 PM (#107614 - in reply to #106786)
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Cruiser

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Bullhead City, AZ
Had the SW victory meet this weekend lots of Visions and XC funny that some of the guys own both. I had more room than I needed with a KP tour. The VV tour was easier to pack mostly because we learned not to take so much crap with. Last long trip I took clothes that I never needed or wore. Less is better.
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chesshiretuna
Posted 2012-02-13 7:34 AM (#107628 - in reply to #106786)
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Tourer

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With the Vision ,I have never been asked "What Harley model is that......". Wonder if the X Bike riders ever get "What model of Harley is that?" I think the Vision handling is superb. While not a sportbike at 900 lbs. it certainly is nimble and have had my fair share of admiring sport riders for my ability to keep up.
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