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Iron Butt
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Perry Hall, MD | I was under the impression that kick starting the Vision was not an option, but a recent post on another subject says that it can be done. It doesn't seem to be covered in the owners manual. Several months ago when I was left with a dead battery it didn't work for me, but pushing 950 lbs by myself didn't provide much chance of it really working regardless of anything else.
Is it just a matter of having enough charge for the coil to produce spark and the fuel pump to pressurize the fuel injection system? If so, any clue as to the minimum charge the needs to show on the amp gauge to provide for both?
Since the owners manual cautions against jump starting from another vehicle (and they may not be available) it would be nice to know if kick starting A) is an option, B) is better than a jump start, C) what needs to happen to make it work.
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Tourer
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| If the battery is completely dead ,there is no way to start the motor with out a jump from another vehicle . Unlike generators, alternators require power to create power. No amount of pushing will overcome this but if there is enough power for the fuel pump to pressurize the you could push start it.....down a hill....you are right about that 950 lbs........I have jump started mine before.....PITA
Edited by chesshiretuna 2011-12-28 7:55 AM
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | you need power for the fuel pump and the fuel injection system to give the bike fuel, basically the entire bike needs power in order to fire up. all the sensors, ecu, etc all need electric and go through a series of checks before the bike even starts. its Not like the days of a carb'd bike fuel injection changes the rules of the game.. |
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Iron Butt
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| I have push started my Vision when there wasn't enough juice to turn the motor over.
Edited by Turk 2011-12-28 8:25 AM
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | I've never given it a direct try, but when the motor dies on the road I've tried to get it to refire by letting out on the clutch, but it just locks up the back wheel. I've always had to hit the starter button unless it is in the dying stage, then it will keep it running by the wheel. |
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Tourer
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Tucson, AZ | That's something that concerns me. I was at the Victory dealer in Sierra Vista yesterday having new bars installed and was talking to the service writer about the life of the battery in the Vision. He said normally one to two years. Mine is over three years old and over 24k miles. I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and replace it. Opinions? |
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | my last visions battery was 3.5 years old and it was still good.. but if your going on 4+ years it might be time to replace it.. i have a 2008 Ford that its battery just failed last week (with NO warning). all the sudden the green eye on the battery was RED... dead.... |
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Tourer
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Tucson, AZ | I remember reading where Walmart has a battery that will fit the Vision. Does anyone has a part number? |
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Visionary
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New Bohemia, VA | not sure of the part number but it is the same one that fits the GL1800. As far as batteries go, you might as well start another oil thread. Three years is good, one thing that I concern myself with is that motorcycle electronics don't like low batteries so I try not to risk it. I'm on my first battery after the original in 4 years of ridership. |
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Iron Butt
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Central New York | I believe the battery designation is [ 310 CCA ]. Don't know the WalMart number, but it should still state "310 CCA" somewhere on the label.
I have used WalMart batteries in a number of vehicle over the years and have always been happy with the performance.
Don't have a clue who makes them, but then I really don't care either. They work, Wally's always good with returns and warranties, and there is one on every other corner. |
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Tourer
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SC, Bluffton | varyder - 2011-12-28 9:36 AM
not sure of the part number but it is the same one that fits the GL1800.
I remember this as well, just like the tires. Since there are so many Goldwings out there,
I'd just barging shop a Goldwing Battery for the best deal for the Vision.
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Iron Butt
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I'm going on 4 yrs with the original battery. I haven't even put it on a trickle charger during the snow months. It always keeps its charge. I hope when it does get to the end of its life it gives me a warning first. |
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Visionary
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | New light wieght dry battery from Balistic. Weighs in at about 1/3, and has an extra 100+CCA. Holds a charge for 3 years, and has a replacement warrenty for 18 months |
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Georgia | kevinx - 2011-12-28 1:57 AM
New light wieght dry battery from Balistic. Weighs in at about 1/3, and has an extra 100+CCA. Holds a charge for 3 years, and has a replacement warrenty for 18 months
Is this the one your referring to Kevin?
http://www.ballisticparts.com/products/batteries/12cell.php
Their battery finder only gets you as close as an 03 - 05 Vegas, Kingpin, Hammer
Edited by cryptodogg 2011-12-28 1:40 PM
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Visionary
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| So if your going to kick start your bike we used to call it bump start you need to be in 2nd or 3rd first gear will just stop you dead. If you can get a good roll going stand up and slam your ass on the seat as you let the clutch out trying to make the tire to bit better.
The reason the factory tells you not to use jump cables is cause cars put out way to much juice and if you leave it on to long it will toast your battery or even blow it up. A car battery charger can do the same thing. Battery's produce fumes and with a spark it can blow up big time.
Heat is a big factor in shorting your battery life. HD guys for sure only get 3 years cause the battery is surrounded by heat. A vision or XC should get way longer life. In the spring I go for a good five mile ride so the battery is fully charged after unhooking the tender and then swing into a battery story and have them do a load test.
I have often wounder what shelf life a battery has before we buy it. Yuasa says there battery are at 90% when you buy then and you should charge it for a hour before using. As I remember there is on three battery company's here in the USA and you can't walk inn there is very tight security around them.
In side battery's are metal plates know thicker then a peace of paper with what looks like shred paper attached to the plates. As the shredded paper dissolves so does the life of your battery. I drained a battery once and with a hack saw tried cutting it apart. I would saw till I hit sparks and then stop. It tuck six months before the sparks stopped. Jell and dry sells are the best. The ones you add acid to are not worth the money so don't buy the ones on ebay.
Remember your amp gauge is telling you that the battery is being charged it does not tell you battery life. |
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Cruiser
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Flowery Branch Ga | I rolled mine off once. I left the key on leaving the round center light on for several hours. 2 gear down a hill got it going.
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Visionary
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | cryptodogg - 2011-12-28 2:35 PM
kevinx - 2011-12-28 1:57 AM
New light wieght dry battery from Balistic. Weighs in at about 1/3, and has an extra 100+CCA. Holds a charge for 3 years, and has a replacement warrenty for 18 months
Is this the one your referring to Kevin?
http://www.ballisticparts.com/products/batteries/12cell.php
Their battery finder only gets you as close as an 03 - 05 Vegas, Kingpin, Hammer
That would be the one. Since the Hammer and Vision share the same battery. I'm surprised they don't list it |
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Visionary
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Gainesville Fl Home of the Gators | john frey - 2011-12-28 2:42 PM
The reason the factory tells you not to use jump cables is cause cars put out way to much juice and if you leave it on to long it will toast your battery or even blow it up.
The big worry about jumping from a car is that the shunt style regulator can get litteraly fried; trying to disipate the excess current in the form of heat. |
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Tourer
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Columbia, SC | I've always been told that if you're going to jump it from a car, don't turn the car on. Just hook up the batteries and don't have the car running while you jump it. Something about it's battery being more than able to jump your bike cold and still have plenty of juice available to start the car up.
Also, it seems that popular belief from various battery threads I've read is that 3 years is maybe "norm" and that you have to be careful expecting it to last longer than that, and that a tendered battery tends to last longer?
I'll probably just buy a new battery every 3 or 4 years. If I service my bike and do an oil change every 2500 - 3000 miles, what's the use of waiting for a battery to drain and not be able to ride my serviced bike? |
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Cruiser
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Princeton, IL | My battery was the original on my 08 Vision and one day it just up and died, no warning - nothing. Thanks goodness it died in my garage overnight. I bought an Autozone dry cell battery for it. So far it works like a champ, only time will tell. |
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Iron Butt
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Southeast Iowa | I always put mine on a tender in the winter and get 4 years out of a Yusa battery. Anymore than that and you'll likely replace it when your on the side of a road. |
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Iron Butt
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Mt. Vernon, WASH. | If SYNSTR isn't on the road, it's plugged into the BATTERY TENDER I could make a YUASA live 5 years on the VENTURE by keeping it plugged in and keeping up with the cell water levels.
I also carry the post clamp type connector pig tail that comes with the BATTERY TENDER in the side bag as you can plug into the connector on the bike and tap onto an outside battery. |
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