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Bluff Park, Alabama - God's Country! 2011 PW VV | All of a sudden the rear tire has gone away! Left side way worse. How much is left? Just under 10k on the odometer. 
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New Mexico | Nothing left.
Time for darkside...
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Indianapolis, IN | looks like nascar to me......... a whole lota left turning going on there. ;-) |
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Perry Hall, MD | Looks like you've been running on the NASCAR ovals.
Past time to change that puppy.
Hope that someone here can give some good advice on what may have caused that wear pattern. |
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Iron Butt
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Northeast Ohio | Is this an alignment issue or riding the right side of the road crown too much? |
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Northern NJ | My tires seem to wear more on the left than the right.
JMHO, I would have changed that tire 500-1,000 miles earlier. After 9,000 the Dunlops seem to lose wet-riding traction. |
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Northeast Ohio | I just found my answer.
Taken from: http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html
In the case of right side driving countries like the USA, one does indeed ride farther on the left side of the tire than on the right side of the tire. At a simple single lane intersection that is common in most residential neighborhoods, negotiating a left turn will have you traveling TWICE the distance that you do making a right hand turn. That's at a simple single lane intersection. A double lane will have you making four times the distance. But even when you are confronted with nothing more than a left curving road, the radius of that left turner will be larger than if you were coming the other way on the same road making a right around that same curve. If you don't believe this, check out the How Stuff Works web site about your car's DIFFERENTIAL and why it's called a differential (your shaft driven two wheeled motorcycle does not have a differential, it has instead a "final drive" which drives only one wheel). Also note that Olympic runners start in different locations because the outside runners must run farther to the finish line.
Edited by ScoreBo 2011-10-27 7:32 PM
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Akron Ohio area | I replaced my rear tires at 14,600 miles only because I was going on a 7-10 thousand mile trip and didn't want to deal with a tire change in the middle of it.
Unless you do burnouts or run with under-inflated tires, I don't know what to tell you.
When I replaced my tires, the rear hadn't reached the wear bars and the front could have easily gone several thousand more miles. |
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, AR United States | That tire is done. I rode mine over 12,000 miles and had cord showing and air leaking before I finally got down to inspect it. I won't wait that long next time.
Scorebo, if I wait until I am well into the intersection to start my turn, couldn't I take it at the same radius as the right turn? I would like to hear from riders who live in left lane countries if there rear tires wear more on the right. |
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New Bohemia, VA | my guess:
1. lower air pressure, below 40psi,
2. rough roads, concrete
3. one saddle bag loaded
4. heavy load
To me, that is your answer, starting with extended riding with low air. |
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seattle, wa | The left side wears sooner than the right due to the crown of the roads.
Seriously. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | Interesting read... |
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Akron Ohio area | rwilly - 2011-10-27 9:37 PM The left side wears sooner than the right due to the crown of the roads. Seriously. Not if you ride most of the time in the fast lane of the freeway.  |
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New Bohemia, VA | bigfoot - 2011-10-27 9:42 PM
rwilly - 2011-10-27 9:37 PM The left side wears sooner than the right due to the crown of the roads. Seriously. Not if you ride most of the time in the fast lane of the freeway.
my first thought... |
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Bluff Park, Alabama - God's Country! 2011 PW VV | varyder - 2011-10-27 8:32 PM my guess: 1. lower air pressure, below 40psi---Kept at 41 front and rear 2. rough roads, concrete--- Yes, not the best roads around here
3. one saddle bag loaded--- if anything the right sb has more stuff/weight
4. heavy load --- I am ~300lbs - keep the shock at around 45-50
To me, that is your answer, starting with extended riding with low air.--- Normally I would agree....... TNX
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Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Do you ride with a pillion that constantly looks over your right shoulder? |
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New Bohemia, VA | seriously, roads will do that, if there is a lot of flat land and you don't do a lot of twisty, I'll say try a car tire if you dare. I wouldn't want to change my tire every 9,000miles, 14,000 is short enough. |
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Bluff Park, Alabama - God's Country! 2011 PW VV | Nozz - No pillion rider.
Var - I have though about it! Someone's gotta convince me. I have read most of the DS threads!
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New Mexico | Well, I am 13+k into the darkside, and about 2/3 tread left. Thinking I will get 30k out of it. First several thousand miles tested my sphincter, but after that I felt just as comfortable and just as safe as the E3s. By myself, two up, highway, city, twisties, mpg, braking, trunk/no trunk - All Good. Not the same as E3s, but still good.
Front tire, changed at same time, probably has another 1k left.
Edited by Boots 2011-10-27 10:02 PM
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Northeast Ohio | rwilly - 2011-10-27 9:37 PM
The left side wears sooner than the right due to the crown of the roads.
Seriously.
I thought so too until I read this website: http://www.rattlebars.com/tirewear/index.html
Edited by ScoreBo 2011-10-27 10:15 PM
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seattle, wa | Ok, how bout this?
The left track of the lane is the one we most ride in, or should ride in. There will be tire ruts in most roads, unless it is fairly new. When we ride in the rut we tend to be on the left side of it, kind of like a reverse crown.
I wasn't about to read all that stuff in the link posted.
Someone give me a condensed version.
Also, is the tire in question mounted on a bike that is ridden predominantly in the left lane of an interstate?
Edited by rwilly 2011-10-27 11:04 PM
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seattle, wa | varyder - 2011-10-27 6:55 PM
bigfoot - 2011-10-27 9:42 PM
rwilly - 2011-10-27 9:37 PM The left side wears sooner than the right due to the crown of the roads. Seriously. Not if you ride most of the time in the fast lane of the freeway.
my first thought...
Actually that is your fifth thought. 
Is the tire in question mounted on a bike that is ridden predominantly in the left lane of an interstate?
I have heard of the left side wearing faster than the right, but have never had it happen to me personaly. I got 18k out of my Dunlops on my Vision and was down into the wear bars but it was an even wear.
I can see this leading into a tar snake discussion. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Why, tar snakes? I read the article and understand what he is saying for the most part. Mine always wears more on the left, and have never given much thought that it was the crown. However, I find myself pushing the bike to the left side because I'll sit some to the right. That might not make sense to some, but when I went out west I didn't do it as much and my tire wore more evenly. Also, I wasn't doing a lot of left turn leans either as I normally do at home. As I think of the article and my riding habits, the contribution to wear is the harder left turns on a daily bases that I encounter. Take the texture of the road, the weight the tire is bearing and your air pressure and it is obvious to me that the tire will naw away quickly.
But, I'll will say that under 10,000 is not acceptable and though we can swear by it that is not the case, air pressure is mostly like the biggest contributing factor. We must always check our our pressure cold, the colder the better.
Now you all may start your tar snake discussion, for what it is worth...
Edited by varyder 2011-10-28 4:53 AM
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| its a little of both guys. crown, longer radius, I have about 10000 miles in Europe on a bike and guess what????...yup the right side of the tire wears out over there. crown plays a part, but it seems that taking longer, and also faster, left turns in the US makes the left side go. opposite of europe |
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| Replaced both of mine at 10k. Picked a couple roofing nails in the rear sidewall so I decided to replace them both. I had about 4-5k left on them. |
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Flowery Branch Ga | Mine was done before 10,000 also. I was told more than once it is the crown in the road. One person even guessed correctly that I ride the yellow line the magority of the time. I went DS. I have almost 2,000 miles in most all conditions on it now. Different, but not in a bad way. Kind of like switching bikes. I kept proper air pressure in the tires. Some seem to wear faster than others.
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Central New York | I have ridden a darkside bike before and it's not for me. It wasn't too bad, but still, I could feel that I was trying to put a square peg in a round hole. I just think it is stupid to spend 20 grand on a bike and turn around and short change the ride and comfort to save a few pennies. I am close enough now that I can definitely say I'll get 15k out of my E3s, and I think that is exceptional, I'm comfortable with anything over 10k. The only heartburn I have with E3s is the noise in the twisties. For that reason I may consider either stones or avons. The jury is still out on that. I don't have a problem with the '74' weight rating of 850 lbs. The only way I could exceed that is doing 'wheelies', and that isn't me. |
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Bluff Park, Alabama - God's Country! 2011 PW VV | Well I got a set of E3s locally for a little over 300(incl tax). I may consider DS at another time. Thanks for everyone's input. Best price I found was bike bandit. 275 + 10 for shipping. |
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Bluff Park, Alabama - God's Country! 2011 PW VV | Got the bike back and the new E3s are AWESOME! I did not realize how bad the tires were. It's like a whole new bike! |
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| ghostssx - 2011-11-01 9:04 PM
Got the bike back and the new E3s are AWESOME! I did not realize how bad the tires were. It's like a whole new bike!
Exactly!
New tires always feel and perform better than old tires! Even within the same make/model.
It baffles me how folks are switching brands altogether, and proclaiming how much better they are than the E3's.... well of course, you're comparing a new tire to an old worn out one.
Discover how much better a new set of E3's are compared to your old worn out bridgestones or avons!!!!!
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Albuquerque NM | There's a lot of wisdom in comparing new tires to new tires, it would be interesting to get two bikes on a run one with a new mt and the other with a new ct for a side by side comparison of the two. |
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Anderson, IN (48mi NE of downtown Indianapolis) | I definately feel an improvement in ride and handling when I put on a new set of E3's. I notice the same difference for the van, truck, motorcross bike, and mountain bike too. New tires will always perform better than worn out ones. I agree with Turk, you cannot replace an old E3 with a new CT and make a valid judgement on performance differences.
A trustworthy test would consist of two identically equipped bikes (right off the production line) and install a CT on one of them. Test riders ride both bikes for equal amount of time on a given course. Then a new CT is put on the bike that has the stock tire and vice versa. The same riders ride the same course again for the same amount of time on both bikes.
This method eliminates all variables making the results much more accurate.
Now all we need is two Visions that have been paid for, but not picked up yet from the dealer. Who wants to lend theirs to science? |
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Oregon. | Sorry, for some reason I'm just not motivated to loan my bike out like that. Lord knows why.....lol. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Turk - 2011-11-02 8:49 AM
ghostssx - 2011-11-01 9:04 PM
Got the bike back and the new E3s are AWESOME! I did not realize how bad the tires were. It's like a whole new bike!
Exactly!
New tires always feel and perform better than old tires! Even within the same make/model.
It baffles me how folks are switching brands altogether, and proclaiming how much better they are than the E3's.... well of course, you're comparing a new tire to an old worn out one.
Discover how much better a new set of E3's are compared to your old worn out bridgestones or avons!!!!!
I guess this is the reasoning that has had me staying with the E3, there's never been any compelling comments or data to convince me otherwise. Too much work to learn I should stay put, believe I've learned that lesson many times in other things for a cost I didn't like paying. |
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Bay of Gigs, WA | Democrats. Turning left alla time. LOL |
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Stockton, California | So far I have 15k on my first set. I still have at least 1k or more to go. (front tire shows less wear)Just did an 1100 mile ride and they performed flawlessly. I ride mostly on the freeway to work but have done may twisties, ride two up and loaded down. I am suprised at how well they have lasted. I expected to get about 10k out of them. As to riding on the left I do not do that much. I ride to work in the dark on the freeway (2 lanes). So I ride in the right side of the left lane to give me extra time to react if a critter shoots out. I don't know if that makes a difference. |
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New York State | Always change both at 10,000 miles the front look s like they could last a little longer and the rear gets bald. |
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Rear Tire - PICS!