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| Will a stock vision out run on short or long runs The gl1800 wing,The harley classic,The bmw,The other bike are stock too. I have a GL1800 and a 2000 harley std. The wing i think maybe faster, the harley noway..What you say?
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Visionary
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Pittsburgh, PA | What do you mean? Drag race? Or a long all day ride with comfort.. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Will a Ferrari (VV) be nicer than a Maserati (GL1800), a Porche (bmw) or a Ford Taurus (HD) ? All pretty close IMHO. |
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Iron Butt
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Orlando, FL | TRELL, which one do you like better? That's all that counts. |
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Willmar, MN | A Wing will be the fastest and then a toss up between the BMW and the Vision. Although I have never seen the new BMW. That could outrun the Wing. |
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Michigan | Depends on which BMW. If it is the GTL1600 it will easily win out. The GW would be 2nd. The Vision 3rd. The HD last. Wouldn't trade my Vision for any of them and I have ridden them all. |
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Indianapolis, IN | Goofy question............. Are you into racing?? None of the bikes you referred to were designed or intended to be raced. The performance level they are designed to is for the purpose of being able to comfortably, safely and efficiently tour for long distances in all conditions. Some are able to fulfill all these characteristics better than the others. Who in their right mind buys a Rolls Royce for the purpose of racing. This is what you apparently intend to do.
The best way I can describe the Vision is that if you allow yourself to get lost in the full riding experience the Vision is what a magic carpet ride would be like.
If you want to race, buy a race bike. It will blow all the touring bikes away every time. If you want the ultimate overall touring experience, get a Vision, and then go out and get lost while you enjoy your new "flying machine".
Good Luck!! |
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Pittsburgh, PA | when i bought my vision, performance wasnt the reason for purchasing it... Touring was.... comfort and features... if i want performance i would just get a cheap 600cc sportsbike that would destory the Vision in a race. |
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New Orleans, La, | If you're talking pure speed the 140 hp Beemer is king. The 1800 GW is electronically limited to 129 mph and the VV to 122. I'm not sure about the HD, but in a 5th gear roll on contest the VV will pull away from the GW until 112-115mph then the GW,with its' higher speed limiter, takes over. Again I'm not sure about the HD. Unless you're asking as an FYI the truth is that none of these' except maybe the Beemer, are designed for high speed and tire manufacturers only make tires safe for sustain speed of 130mph anyway.So is that really that important in a country where the highest posted speed limit,I'm aware of, is 85. Go figure. |
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| My Vision has the power where I want it,from 60-100mph. I didn't buy it to drag race nor for top end speed. |
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Tucson, AZ | I don't know about top end, but against a 1800 Wing from 60 mph roll on to 100 in fifth gear, the Vision wins easily. |
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New Bohemia, VA | For me the Vision has performed flawlessly in every situation of acceleration and has exceeded my expectations. I've even had it up to within 5mph of the world record top speed for the Vision. I am satisfied and don't really care what it would do up against any other bike. |
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Endicott, NY 2011 Vision | I have owned 4 Goldwings, the latest a 2008 1800. In MHO I am confident that the Wing is a much quicker ride. I presently own a '2011' VV tour and I wouldn't consider another Wing. The Wing is a fine machine but the VV handles better and I prefer the exaust sound and my significant other says that the VV is easier to get on and off. Front tire wear on the VV appears to be better as well. I tried several brands of tires on the Wing along with various air pressures and I could never get better than 6,000 miles of conservative riding. I've owned 16 various brands of bikes over the years and I felt that every one of them was the best bike on the road at that time. I hope I have enough time left to experience the pleasure another bike and I would expect that it will also be the best one on the road. |
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Ruskin, Fl | Come on Don. I'm about to pull the trigger on a Taurus SHO. It's faster than a Mustang GT in the 1/4 mile. |
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, FL United States | kris1956 - 2011-10-27 6:33 AM
My Vision has the power where I want it,from 60-100mph. I didn't buy it to drag race nor for top end speed.
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Iron Butt
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| A quik trip to see Kevinx and 1200.00 gets you over 20 new horses and makes the question easy to answer! |
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| jeffmack - 2011-10-27 8:08 PM A quik trip to see Kevinx and 1200.00 gets you over 20 new horses and makes the question easy to answer! I spoke with Lloyd about his cams. I think when winter finally comes to Texas, about January, I'm going to install the cams myself. |
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Tucson , AZ | TRELL - 2011-10-26 4:18 PM
Will a stock vision out run on short or long runs The gl1800 wing,The harley classic,The bmw,The other bike are stock too. I have a GL1800 and a 2000 harley std. The wing i think maybe faster, the harley noway..What you say?
I will run your wing heads up.... guaranteed you will get smoked... |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | My Lloyds Vision ( 116 rwhp ) will smoke a GW, the new 1600 BMW, Hmmm just don't know. Most Harleys no problem, however there are some HD's with really big engines with really big horse power so it just depends. |
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Nebraska | Rode with a 1100 rt BMW this past week. Almost ran him over in the curves. Got up to 115 in the straights and couldn't keep up with him.he said he hit 125 purdy sure my stock vision wont do that |
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| hoosiervic - 2011-10-26 6:24 PM
Goofy question............. Are you into racing?? None of the bikes you referred to were designed or intended to be raced. The performance level they are designed to is for the purpose of being able to comfortably, safely and efficiently tour for long distances in all conditions. Some are able to fulfill all these characteristics better than the others. Who in their right mind buys a Rolls Royce for the purpose of racing. This is what you apparently intend to do.
The best way I can describe the Vision is that if you allow yourself to get lost in the full riding experience the Vision is what a magic carpet ride would be like.
If you want to race, buy a race bike. It will blow all the touring bikes away every time. If you want the ultimate overall touring experience, get a Vision, and then go out and get lost while you enjoy your new "flying machine".
Good Luck!! You are wrong on Rolls Royce they race alot from plane and many other kind of racing. I bought the vision after riding one i just was asking how it staked up against other bikes in its class. If i really want to get a nut off thats what 05 gsxr 1000 for..I teach a little class (sometimes)on electricity and consider no question goofy... |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | cw1115 - 2011-10-27 10:38 AM Come on Don. I'm about to pull the trigger on a Taurus SHO. It's faster than a Mustang GT in the 1/4 mile. So is my Zoom-Zoom .... |
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New Bohemia, VA | donetracey - 2011-10-28 10:26 PM
cw1115 - 2011-10-27 10:38 AM Come on Don. I'm about to pull the trigger on a Taurus SHO. It's faster than a Mustang GT in the 1/4 mile. So is my Zoom-Zoom .... � give me hill climbing torque... JEEP |
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Denver, Iowa | I think it's legitimate question. Several people read into text far more than they should, and respond in an attempt for others to perseive them as intelligent. Unfortunately, there are far too many biased people on here to get a legitimate answer. I'd like to know an answer, not an opinion, to this question, also. Like you said, bone stock, off the showroom floor... 0-60, 60-100, 1/4 mile...
Maybe a magazine is a better place to look for this answer. I'd like to see this comparo!
Call up Lloyd and tell him that you think he's stupid (or goofy)for making all of these cams, big bore kits, exhausts, intakes, etc, for Visions! Go ahead... call him. Just sayin'...
There's a stock wing on youtube running low 13's. Dunno which year/model, though.
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Godspeed - 2011-10-28 7:56 PM I think it's legitimate question. Several people read into text far more than they should, and respond in an attempt for others to perseive them as intelligent. Unfortunately, there are far too many biased people on here to get a legitimate answer. I'd like to know an answer, not an opinion, to this question, also. Like you said, bone stock, off the showroom floor... 0-60, 60-100, 1/4 mile... Maybe a magazine is a better place to look for this answer. I'd like to see this comparo! Call up Lloyd and tell him that you think he's stupid (or goofy)for making all of these cams, big bore kits, exhausts, intakes, etc, for Visions! Go ahead... call him. Just sayin'... There's a stock wing on youtube running low 13's. Dunno which year/model, though. No 'Bias' here ... my Vision will beat ANY non-turbo'ed Harley - anytime - anywhere - with my Co-Pilot riding with me. Nuff said. |
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Pitt Meadows, BC Canada | Well, not quite 'Nuff'. Since my first 750cc Virago in 1979 - no HD has EVER beaten me in a drag. Latest being this summer when 2 old friends who had both spent over $10,000 on engine mods on their HD's - neither could beat me in a Roll On - or 1st -to- 4th Drag. (with Co-Pilot on board - and them riding solo). I'm not saying my bike is faster.... I'm saying I'M faster. At age 67.
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| I'm thinking 10k in performance and they couldn't outrun a cammed motor,someone saw them coming. |
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| even a 35,000.00 screaming chicken only makes around 100 RWHP on the dyno. a goldwing makes 103-106ish but then there isnt a lot you can do to get more. I love the fact that i spent pennies on the Harley dollar to be setting at 114 RWHP on my 08 Vision. The BMW 1600 makes 135 RWHP at 7800 RPM. My Vision has a the same max TQ as the BMW, but the Visions TQ line is flatter (better) and the bikes make similar HP all the way up to 5300 RPM, but after 5300 the BMW makes some major power up to 7800 and would leave us in the dust....just the way it is.
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Jasper, MO | TRELL - 2011-10-26 4:18 PM
Will a stock vision out run on short or long runs The gl1800 wing,The harley classic,The bmw,The other bike are stock too. I have a GL1800 and a 2000 harley std. The wing i think maybe faster, the harley noway..What you say?
You asked about 100% stock bikes.
In a standing start drag race, the GW will beat the Vision by about 1/4 to 1/2 second, if the riders are of equal weight and ability. This is due to the lower gearing in first gear on the GW and its ability to rev higher than the Vision. Torque output of the two bikes is actually pretty close. The GW feels a lot quicker than the Vision in first gear because of the gearing differences. The GW has the advantage in 1st gear. The Vision has a slight advantage in 5th gear.
In a 5th gear roll-on contest from 40 to 100, it will be very close. The winner will be determined by the total weight of the respective bikes and riders. The Vision is electronically limited to 122 MPH. The GW is limited to 129. Unless you have a good tailwind and a downhill run, you won't see much over 125 on a GW (GPS verified. GW speedometers are typically about 4% optimistic, and will indicate 130+).
If you extend the roll-on contest between the GW from 40 to 120, the GW will start pulling ahead a little after about 105-110.
For all practical purposes, such as passing slow traffic on a two lane road, the GW and Vision are about equal in 5th gear.
It's easy, and not very expensive, to get GW beating performance out of the Vision. The GW typically has about 95 to 100 HP and 100 to 105 Torque at the rear wheel. The 100% stock Vision is typically around 85 to 90 HP and 100 to 105 Torque at the rear wheel. The stock ECU (and rev limiter, and cams) on the Vision hurts the HP. The power starts to drop off after about 4500 RPM. I don't know, or understand , why. Maybe to keep the EPA happy? There is a lot more potential in these motors. You can get 110 HP and 110 Torque at the wheel on a Vision without much effort or expense. Cams, intake plate, and a fuel controller are all that's needed to reach this level. Add Lloydz reprogrammed ECU to the mix, and you'll be at 115/115, and there isn't a stock Goldwing that will touch you in a drag race, in a roll-on contest, or on top end speed. Exhaust changes are optional and not needed to get this level of performance. With these upgrades, low end torque stays the same, or improves. The power just keeps building all the way to 5900-6000 RPM, instead of dropping off after 4500 RPM. There is no downside. It's how they should have come from the factory.
The power curve of the stock GW starts to drop off after 5500 RPM.
Both stock bikes are faster/quicker than stock Harleys.
Which BMW are you asking about? The K1200s run about equal to the GW. The K1600s are faster.
Ronnie
Edited by rdbudd 2011-10-30 8:49 PM
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preformance not bashing